Every silver lining has a cloud.

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Every silver lining has a cloud.

Post by T-Pee » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:23 pm

What is it that you enjoy the least in distilling spirits?

I just got done airing out my first shot at an All-Bran and realized that I don't particularly enjoy making cuts.
Maybe it's the uncertainty of screwing up. Maybe the taste of raw, white liquor. I dunno so I thought I'd ask the rest of you.

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Post by Rastus » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:43 pm

I just really hate waiting for slow ferments in the winter,
and i hate having to keep it a secret.
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Post by bellybuster » Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:36 am

Cleaning fermenters. I hate it so much I built a pump driven keg/carboy/fermenter cleaner contraption. Now I just upturn the empty fermenter on top and run hot oxy lean through it. I can now walk away and come back when ever to a clean vessel. A quick rinse and done. Majic

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Post by The KYChemist » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:17 am

bellybuster wrote:Cleaning fermenters.
+1... If I knew how much "dish washing" I'd have to do, getting into this hobby, it may not have ever happened. Sometimes, though, you just have to embrace "the suck". My bucket and utensil cleaning procedures are a lot more efficient than when I first started, at least.
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Post by firewater69 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:20 am

I hate squeezing grain, it's not really that bad, but it's what i dislike the most.
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Post by yakattack » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:41 am

firewater69 wrote:I hate squeezing grain, it's not really that bad, but it's what i dislike the most.

Simple solution for you. Salad spinner. Works as a centrifuge. Little work but should work well. Use a little cheese cloth if the slots allow the grains through.
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Post by cranky » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:51 am

The only think I hate is sitting around for 16Hr running to get neutral. I'm working on something much larger so spirit runs will go faster. It might not be a big deal if I didn't have so much else that needed done but right now it irritates me.

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Post by Brutal » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:06 am

Hate cleaning up all the messes I make, hate the potential of going to jail, hate not knowing anybody that can show me how to do things sometimes. I read until I fall asleep at the computer but sometimes seeing someone do something makes it much easier to understand. Nobody posts videos of them breaking the law though, and people where I'm at don't know shit about this.
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Post by cranky » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:22 am

Brutal wrote:Hate cleaning up all the messes I make, hate the potential of going to jail, hate not knowing anybody that can show me how to do things sometimes. I read until I fall asleep at the computer but sometimes seeing someone do something makes it much easier to understand. Nobody posts videos of them breaking the law though, and people where I'm at don't know shit about this.
+1 It would be nice to see good videos and actually talk to people about it face to face and have someone to go to when things aren't working right. Also when I have the answer sometimes it would be nice to be able to stop by and show someone the way I do it.

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Post by T-Pee » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:37 am

Videos are handy but when I did the vid for "Oaking and Aging the T-Pee Way" siting on the back porch my wife gave me some pretty funny looks. :problem:

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Post by dstaines » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:40 am

My least favorite part is spending about 4 hours breaking down 30+ lbs of peaches, filling my kitchen with fruit flies while the wine ferments out, waiting sometimes 2 weeks before I have a free day to run it, and slowly slowly dripping that entire day away, getting more and more excited about how good it smells and tastes, airing, smelling, tasting and blending the cuts, and finally setting it aside to calm down a little for a month or so only to discover that I fucked it up AGAIN on blending the cuts and went a little too deep in the tails. AGAIN.

It's hard to build on my experience with blending because I only get to make at most 2 -3 batches a year of white stonefruit brandy (at harvest time). Just keep at it I guess, but it's frustrating.
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Post by S-Cackalacky » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:45 am

T-Pee, it DID look kinda funny - a grown man sittin' there burning little sticks with a butane torch. You know you're a stiller when you do shit like that.

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Post by S-Cackalacky » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:49 am

I hate not having a stash.
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Post by Bigbob » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:06 am

My least favorite is setting up and taking down. I live in a small space and don't have much room, so I need to take everything and put together and pull apart and put away.
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Post by Jimbo » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:07 am

The worst part for me is squeezing and clearing the wash from the grain. I do 70lb batches now, and its just flat out exhausting dirty hard work pulling 2 strippers, 26 gallons, off the grain, squeezing one scoop, about half gallon, at a time, then making multiple trips to the compost pile, then cleaning all the goo'd up barrels and buckets and mop bucket and scooping pitchers and strainer bags and floor and pants and shoes and....

When I get frustrated I look at my stash and remember why I do this size batch now ;) Stash is good. Stash is aged likker. My other favorite part is walking in the brew room when a ferment is on. They need to make a perfume that smells like that.
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Post by firewater69 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:27 am

Jimbo, i love the smell too! And i do 25 lbs of grain per batch, usually 2 batches and squeezing sucks. I am gonna build a centrafuge, i dont think a salad spinner will cut it for me unless they make a 5 gallon version.
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Post by T-Pee » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:00 pm

It's called a "washing machine". Not SOH's either. :eh:

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Post by bellybuster » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:13 pm

de-ja-vue???

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Post by Jimbo » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:56 pm

T-Pee wrote:It's called a "washing machine". Not SOH's either. :eh:

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Post by firewater69 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:03 pm

It would work, i just dont have the room for it in my shed. I used one to seperate oil from metal chips in a machine shop, it held up for a year or so.
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Post by thisguy » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:55 pm

The fact that its illegal irritates the hell out of me. The fact that I have to hide it from people, minus the trusted friend I share the fruits of my labor with. The fact that I cant talk about something that is as big apart of my life as distilling is with people face to face also irritates the hell out of me. The fact that this is illegal when so many other things should be illegal is irritating to all hell as well.

The other would probably be squeezing grains. When I finally get out of these apartments ive been living in I plan on getting a mop bucket type dealio for it, but right now its just too much to move plus all the other equipment I have for it, when I move as frequently as I do, its kind of annoying. I plan on building a padded case for the still parts so they're all in one box. Make the move a little easier.

Everything else that irritates me is just a lack of efficiency, which can be improved upon. So its just a challenge, and I like those. But squeezing grains will always be annoying, no matter how "clean and efficient" you make it.

However, the result is worth the hassle. Obviously, otherwise we wouldnt be doing it.
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Post by Fastill » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:56 pm

My cloud is winter. I can't do anything in the winter here, my condensor freezes up so Stilling is a spring, summer, fall thing. And half of spring and half of fall are pretty much out of the question also.
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Post by Twinrivers » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:05 pm

Seems like every time I meet at a bar with friends and really having a craving for a glass of good whiskey, I am always disappointed by the usual bar stock of crown, Jack Daniels, dewars, and V.O. So I just down a few beers and have to wait until I get home for a good night cap.

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Post by SassyFrass » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:15 pm

I hate that stillin' is illegal. I cant discuss particulars with folks and I have to wait until the cover is on in the spring to run a batch or ten. I'm a little luckier than some though, I got my in Father in law and my wife's uncles to chat about it with.
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Post by Tokoroa_Shiner » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:31 pm

I hate the cleanup. And the fact that now I can't drink commercial spirits. Lol
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Post by sdpoage » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:37 pm

I hate that the few friends I have, who know, think that I am the free liquor store.
You know your an alcoholic when you have your own still, mash your own grain and distill your own likker, but you don't care!!! A.A. is for quitters.

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Post by T-Pee » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:38 pm

I've cut a couple of those off. :problem:

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Post by cranky » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:58 pm

sdpoage wrote:I hate that the few friends I have, who know, think that I am the free liquor store.
Don't have to worry about that myself since I don't have any friends. :crazy: As far as people that know it's my wife and you guys here and all you guys make your own :lol:

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Post by thisguy » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:00 pm

sdpoage wrote:I hate that the few friends I have, who know, think that I am the free liquor store.
I just tell em to frigg off. Then they dont get anymore from then on out. Its kinda one of those things where if its around great, if its not STFU or get out. Cause if its not around, its for a damn good reason. If they dont like it or understand, then they werent my friend to begin with. Houston, thats their problem....
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Post by Jimbo » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:02 pm

I hate that you sumbitches are so damn far away.
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