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Nearly everything (food stuff) is a bad dietary choice.
The entire "food" chain is just terrible.

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Get ya a bag of small Hostess powdered donuts and see what happens.
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I have always found it ironic that they call it 'practicing' medicine.
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freaky_cutout wrote:I have always found it ironic that they call it 'practicing' medicine.
that's 'cause humans have this innate and frustrating habit of getting sick and dying despite their doctors best efforts. it has historically been a 1:1 ratio, a very disturbing statistic for docs...especially surgeons (otherwise known as "god") it really pisses them off when you have the unmitigated gall to pass on their watch.

maybe one day they will get it right. until then, we have whiskey.
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LWTCS wrote:I take an aspirin daily.
I did too, for joint pain, and heart health. All the men on both sides of my family died at 60 or near. The last few months has dealt me a handfull of horseshit that jacked my BP to 175/110. This WITH BP meds. So I went to the doc and first thing he said is STOP the aspirin immediately, I guess with high BP the brain can hemorage easily especially with aspirin thinning the blood. He had some fancy words for it that I forgot. So anyway, to those with High BP, careful with the aspirin.
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LWTCS wrote:I take an aspirin daily.
I did too, for joint pain, and heart health. All the men on both sides of my family died at 60 or near. The last few months has dealt me a handfull of horseshit that jacked my BP to 175/110. This WITH BP meds. So I went to the doc and first thing he said is STOP the aspirin immediately, I guess with high BP the brain can hemorage easily especially with aspirin thinning the blood. He had some fancy words for it that I forgot. So anyway, to those with High BP, careful with the aspirin.

Gonna ask my Doc about that.
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HDNB wrote:
freaky_cutout wrote:I have always found it ironic that they call it 'practicing' medicine.
that's 'cause humans have this innate and frustrating habit of getting sick and dying despite their doctors best efforts. it has historically been a 1:1 ratio, a very disturbing statistic for docs...especially surgeons (otherwise known as "god") it really pisses them off when you have the unmitigated gall to pass on their watch.

maybe one day they will get it right. until then, we have whiskey.
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MoonBreath wrote:Get ya a bag of small Hostess powdered donuts and see what happens.
Pure euphoria.
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My dad (turns 86 this Friday), eats a bag of those every morning. Over weight with Alzheimers, piss poor muscle tone, colostomy and no bladder control, if he doesn't get his donuts every day.....he's UNBEARABLE.

Its quite humorous to see him sitting in the living room in his "tighty whiteys" with white powder around his lips. It absolutely makes my day.
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Well shit! They tell me now that i have gone to the next step beyond NAFLD called NASH stage 3. Non-Alcoholic Steatohepatitis and is the most severe form of NAFLD characterized by the presence of an abnormal accummulationof fat in the liver which in some individuals can progress to liver cell i jury and inflammation. This leads to fibrosis and eventual scarring that can lead to cirrhosis or liver cancer. I have the fibrosis but a biopsy is necessary to determine the extent. NAFLDcan be reversed but NASH cannot. It can be slowed by diet and lifestyle changes. I have began that process.
I have chosen to share this because it is more of an issue than people know. I have a good md but even he didnt understand where i could have been at prognosis wise or he didnt act like it anyway. Everyone's doctor can say you need to loose some weight and exercise more! Mine was high just out of college at 185 lbs and 6'0".
I hope this helps someone else to understand what the disease is and what their doctor maybe trying to tell them without spitting it out directly! If your enzymes are high ask for additional testing. We do not need a Liver Donors Needed Off Topic discussion posts!
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Seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGZIWJ7fUzg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

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And again ...thank you Odin !!!
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You are welcome. After struggling with health issues for years, I decided to dive in like I once did with distilling. Get to the bottom of it all.

It's not that difficult once you figure it out. The predecessors to men lived in forests. About 2.5 million years ago, climate changed and it became colder and drier. Jungles retreated and our ancestors found themselves without leaves to chew on. Secondary metabolism kicked in and feeding of carcasses not only helped survive a few, but put positive selective pressure on those more able / better able to digest meat, resulting - in the end - with homo erectus as the first fully bipedal, hunter/scavenger about 2 million years ago. Meat is much energy denser than plants, so the gut could shrink, while the brain started growing.

We are a carnivorous species. Agriculture was invented only 10.000 years ago, and in most regions much, much later. Our bodies can digest many plant based products now, because we cook and process foods heavily. But plants are now our secondary, survival metabolism. It is what keeps us alive for some time (until we find meat again), but it also slowly kills us in the process.

The so called Western diseases are all a result of our shift towards highly processed plant based food. Cancer rose from 10% to 70% in a century. So did obesity. So did diabetes, etc. Its all the result of a society wide state of malnourishment (don't make the mistake to see someone being fat and conclude he eats too much, he doesn't. He eats not enough sustainable foods).

Now, I am not trying to convince anyone. Go do your own research. But I found this info worth sharing for the better good of y'all. So if any of you want to piss up my fence, do it or don't, I don't mind. It will just stop me from sharing more. And all I have to share is no more than that: my personal search and my personal path back to health.

Once I turned carnivore a bit over a year ago, I lost 10 kilo's of fat. I gained many kilo's of muscle. My brain works better. My shoulders do not hurt no more. My starting reuma and diabetics have gone. I don't need to use asthma medication no more. Never got as much as a cold or the flu for a year and a half now. Instead of once a month at least. I regained energy and started training again. Guess what? First time I hit the gym I pushed more weights than even 30 years ago, when I was still working out 2 hours per day. At 50 I am now stronger than ever. I took up indoor rowing. Started a bit over 3 months ago with a 13:13 on the 2k. I now row the 2k in under 8 minutes, with minimal training per week. I never have muscle fever. I sleep like a newborn child. I stopped snoring.

It is bad diet that also causes NAFLD. GA, please dive in. Some searches on youtube / online will get you to a new wealth of sources that will help you get better.

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Same story here. I was eating the typical American diet, high in grain and sugar loaded packaged horseshit. My triglycerides and cholesterol were through the roof. My blood sugar was hosed, first signs of Type 2 diabetes, nueropathy in my toes etc. etc. I decided to research, read a half dozen books that basically clarified the lie we all been told since Ansel Keys first published his fat is evil biased nonsense study in the 50's 60's and got the ignorant dumbass US Gooberment on board to demonize fat and make grain the base of the food pyramid. Long story short, your body NEEDS good fats, Omega 3's AND healthy natural saturated fats, Coconut oil, eggs, avocados , MEAT etc. The brain is 60% fat and we've been starving our brains for decades with this lowfat nonsense they are feeding us. Furthermore, the constant grain and sugar intake is spiking our insulin so often our cells are nonresponsive anymore, so the extra sugar in our blood causes heaps of problems and stored fat. Its absolutely no wonder we're all obese with heaps of cognitive issues like depression and ADHD, high blood pressure, diabetes and cancers du jour. Fuckin pharmaceutical companies love it, and are cashing in huge. Those statins youre taking are further depleting your brain and body of the cholesterol you need. Ditch the statins and start eating eggs!

Long story short, my wife and I went on the keto diet about 19 months ago. I eat all the bacon, steaks, eggs add butter I want ( a LOT), and stay away from bread pasta and anything sugar, including too much fruit. Keep to blueberries and other berries. Lots of greens too, brocolli, spinach, salads etc. My cholesterol and my last check was 130, my triglycerides 140, my blood sugar 80, my blood pressure perfect. All on ZERO medications, I ditched all the pills 19 months ago too. That was NOT the case 24 months ago. Total 180 by ignoring our government and eating what are bodies are starving for. Gotta stay away from fried foods too, Corn, peanut, soy oils are Omega 6 and nodamngood for you. Think about it this way, if its processed by man before you eat it, its fucked. Let me be straight, we're not perfect with this diet, about 5 of 7 days we're good, but I do love fried chicken, and will occasionally baked loaf of bread. And drink too damn much haha.

Nuff said. Good luck to all. Hope you all read up too.
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Jimbo wrote: Fuckin pharmaceutical companies love it, and are cashing in huge.
+1 Jimbo...(Man, I loathe big pharma)...similar situation, big diet change-up and I took my time, no pressing rush to lose a lot of weight, but went from 255lb to 180 in four years...with all the health benefits.
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kiwi Bruce wrote:
went from 255lb to 180 in four years...with all the health benefits.

don't hand your life and health over to someone else, no matter how much you think you trust them...you take care of yourself!
Thats outstanding Kiwi, congrats! Yes its a journey, a lifelong change of lifestyle. Its not easy after decades of living and eating one way.
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I have been diagnosed with fatty liver tissue here lately after a abdominal st scan for diverticulitis. Part is caused by drinking too much alcohol but the specialist said that most of the people that walk in the clinic's door have the same issue. Caused by our diets, weight, and lifestyle. (Obesity)..-He didn't seemed too concerned about me.
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Odin, I won't be pissin' on your fence. A few years back a mate of mine (6'8" tall, early 50's) weighed in at over 24 stone and was basically inactive. Constantly exhausted and in chronic back pain and often unable to leave the house. He went to a different doctor who told him to cut out carbs as much as possible, eat only a minimal amount of particular vegetable matter and EAT MEAT. Fatty meat and lots of it. He would go to the butcher and ask them for the lamb trimmings. 70 - 80% fatty meat. If he bought actual lamb loin chops he only ever ate the curly end tails and gave the meaty chops to his family. He would ask the butcher for the skins off the chicken cuts they sold skinless. One particular butcher used to keep the m for him. He would then fry, bake, barbecue or grill the shitters out of it and that was dinner. He lost over 4 stone in the first 3 months and continued to drop weight at a steady rate (under doctors supervision). Last time I saw him he was down to 16 stone. Still a big man but he is a tall man as well. He now works again, running a landscape and design business and is able to do things he thought were gone for ever (like boating and fishing). He does like curries and eats some rice but he is never going to be a vegan. He is also once again a keen angler and loves eating fish.

I love fatty bacon. The best part of a lamb chop is the charred fat (with salt). A piece of steak has no leftovers and pork crackles are my favorite snack food. I eat real butter and not that margarine crapola, drink full cream milk and avoid anything that has the words "Light" or "Low Fat" on it. I have never had a poor fasting lipids blood reading in my life.
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Great! I like that! Congrats on all the improvements.

I felt like I could drop dead, like 1 1/2 years ago. Obese, asthma, two bouts of pneumonia, two bouts of whooping cough, prediabetic, prereumatoid. Shoulders kaput. Broken ribs.

Did a shitload of research, went keto, then carnivore. No longer obese, more muscles, no more asthma or any other diseases. Head is clearer. I lost some gray hair. My eye sight went from r:-3.0 l: +3.5 to r: 0.0 l: +1.5. Basically from 70/30 vision to 100/80. Mind is working better.

Eat meat, drink water. If you have to have greens, boil the crap out of 'm to prevent oxalate poisoning or solicylate allergies.

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I was looking for something else when I saw this old thread about liver disease.
And yes, as evidenced by my other thread about the carnivore "life" - not diet - I plead guilty to being a zealot about it.
Yesterday was 8 weeks, down a little over 21 pounds and feeling much much better.
I have had a diagnosis of elevated liver functions for decades and when I was 6"0 and between 285-295, pretty sure I had a fatty liver.
I know everything else was fat!

Anyway, here's a video on point. My suggestion would be if you have a fatty liver, try the Carnivore diet for a month and see what it does.

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Adaptation to the carnivore diet may take 5 to 7 weeks, in which one feels less well. I'd propose a doctor's visit, blood work, then 3 months of strict carnivore diet, and then retesting. If things move in the right direction, it would be an amazing incentive to continue.

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Odin wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:43 pm Adaptation to the carnivore diet may take 5 to 7 weeks, in which one feels less well.

Odin.

Edit: Odin, I just noticed the link you had in your post was the same video as the one I posted. Great minds!


Actually, "Keto Flu" only lasts a day or so as your body truly withdraws from sugars.
And you are peeing out a lot of water weight in that first week so I could tell a real difference in the second week.
I'm with you on the testing. My doctor has a baseline on my bloodwork and I made an appointment for December which will be 6 months in.
I am REALLY looking forward to seeing him, and him seeing me.
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Ketoflu is one thing, adapting to carnivory something else.

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@ga flatwoods

It's a very long story here. The way we approach health has much to do with our personality. Some people dig into medical research, some people take their doctor as the only way of salvation (and established medicine), most people think that cure comes from outside, that illness is a random thing, and that alcohol, spaghetti and potatoes are evil.

I'll try to be short and I'll give you some "hints". You can discuss this with me on private mail if you want further clarification.

First of all, decrease the importance of your doctor and your diagnosis let's say 4 to 5 times. Keep them in the background. It's information to start from, it's not the information you really need to solve the problem. Your doctor will not cure you.

Second, read books of the hygienist school, a medicin school founded in Germany in mid XIX and potently revived by Herbert M. Shelton in the US in the XX century. Read all you find by Shelton. Then read new and more modern research by the same school of thought (some progress has been made since Shelton).

Third, read some books on fasting. Shelton has one, read that, and read some others. You can certainly find other texts on the subject. (for "fasting" I only mean absolute fasting: you only drink water for many days in a row).

Having made that, prepare yourself to some serious fasting. Given that you have a medical condition, you should do a two-week or longer fasting , it's much easier in a specialized clinic or with the remote support of a doctor in this field.

I don't have any specific health problem, but I do fast occasionally, and I am fasting now.
I will end tomorrow-lunch my second five-day fasting (I did not eat anything since last friday, a few biscuits at breakfast. Since then, and I insist, only water).

Fasting will make your body "re-heal" himself better than any diet, any medicine, any doctor. Let your body do the work, put it in the condition to do the work.

Fasting requires willpower and determination. You have to fully understand the theory of it first. You will have a ton of unpleasant consequences: vomit, headache, muscular pain, nervousness and difficulty in sleeping being the worst. You will not have all together, your body decides which "district" to "clean" and the depuration will make you expel the toxins accumulated in decades. Be perseverant. In your case, I would certainly look for a doctor who does fasting as a cure. Fasting is successfully coupled with acupuncture in order to reduce the unpleasant consequences.

The second week is normally easier, according to literature (I never passed the five days). Some people makes 100 km on a bicycle during fasting. When your body changes metabolism (and uses ketonic bodies instead of sugar as "fuel") adapting is not easy, especially if you never made a fasting. But the adaptation comes. The first time you fasten it's the worse.

You can begin with shorter fastings, and repeat them more often.

Don't worry about alcohol: the devil is much better than doctors depict it. Switch to clean spirits, Gin and Vodka, and Amari etc. The British Queen Mother died at 92 and she was an enthusiast consumer of Gin all her life.

A healthy lifestyle does include some spirits!

(I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice. That's why it's sensible).

Please avoid polemics. If you want to follow the established-medicine protocol, do it, I'm fine with that.

PS An entire and different chapter should be devoted to how to drink: never without food, always with plenty of water, better if coupled with some vitamin B complex, slowly and merrily. And only drink good stuff (beer is all good stuff, wine is not as some wine has too much sulphites, distillates can be too dirty and give you headache, avoid that).

Americans eat with water, and then separately drink wine alone, which makes no sense, too acid, too tanninic and too alcoholic, how can people drink wine without food is beyond understanding. Wine goes with food. Distillates go after a copious and fat meal. Alcohol favours fat digestion greatly. Alcohol is good for you during and after meals, not before (excluding beer, of course).
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Wow! What a lot to take in at one time. Very interesting and worthy of further study. Since last here i have had another doctor visit with much better numbers for my blood work. Lost 10 pounds and keeping it off so far. Had a MRI that did not show what the ct and sonogram appeared to. All in all, after studying all the reports, i believe i am still with NAFLD that is reversible rather than NASH which is not capable of being reversed.
My alcohol intake has dropped and water intake has increased. Not a bad thing at all. Not the doom and gloom i once was led to think it may be.
Thank you for your time to reply on this topic. It is very important that people are educated about this as even my personal doctor is not as "sharp" a out it as he should be!
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ga flatwoods wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:20 pm All in all, after studying all the reports, i believe i am still with NAFLD that is reversible rather than NASH which is not capable of being reversed.
There is no human condition that cannot be reversed. If you study fasting results, you find "miraculous" healing and improvements of conditions which are supposed by medicine to go one way only.
That doesn't mean that fasting can save life always. It means that there is no condition for which fasting cannot save your life, or cannot make an illness regress to a more acceptable quality of life.
Even cancers can be regressed or stabilized by fasting. If they are tackled when they arrived at a too advanced degree of development, fasting can fail, but in that case nothing would succeed.

Your body is basically "omnipotent" or almost that. Just stop intoxicating it with excess food and especially with deprivation of time to clean himself properly.

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ga flatwoods wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:20 pm Not the doom and gloom i once was led to think it may be.
Thank you for your time to reply on this topic. It is very important that people are educated about this as even my personal doctor is not as "sharp" a out it as he should be!
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