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Now I'm pretty easy going. I mind my own business and don't mess with people but I'm pretty opinionated and I have my view points which don't often mesh with most of the people up here in the People's Republic of Washington. But I believe people should keep to themselves and not mess with others. You're right to punch the air ends with my nose.

I'm pretty sure that things used to be different and the people used to be more civil or at least more polite. But nowadays it just seems like everybody's an asshole... maybe it's just that everybody's in a hurry.

So I'm sitting at a stop sign today and it's a four way stop with the two lanes closest to me at an odd angle. Traffic is backing up and I'm waiting for the lady on my right to go. I'm waiting... And waiting... And waiting... And I see she's on her phone so I just go. Well she sees me go and decides the gun it almost sideswiping me and you'd have thought that I slapped her across the face with the way she yelled at me. I'm just trying to get where I'm trying to go lady, taking my kids to school.

The other day I'm going to get a coffee walking into the coffee shop and like I was taught to do since I was a boy I look around to see if anybody is coming in behind me that I need to hold the door for. There's a lady walking up, she happens to be very attractive, so I stop and hold the door ( I hold the door for unattractive women too but it's just icing on the cake). Well as she's about to walk through this teenage pipsqueak runs up any kind of side steps right through the door cutting her off. Further, the little punk doesn't even say thank you.

Then a few weeks ago I'm driving along on the highway. Now I'm no slow poke I drive the speed limit a little bit more. I was going about 10 miles over the speed limit and this guy comes up behind me, I'm in the middle Lane because I'm passing traffic, and he swears around me gets in front of me and Slams on the brakes. No I'm not blocking traffic or anything but this guy seems to think that I'm Public Enemy Number One. He turns around pulls up to the side of me and gives me the old double barrel.

Now I'm not some braggadocious blowhard but I've been in plenty of fights in my time, I served in the military and I've served in some other avenues of life and I can hold my own. But I think people, and I'm sure some of you understand what I'm talking about, that have been around... Tend to be more forgiving and less app to seek out aggressive situations.

I guess my point is I think we should bring back the duel. I think people would be much more apt to be polite if there was some sort of underlying threat of violence say 10 paces and pistols or sword fights with a friend who was acting as your second or hell even just stopping to box for a while.

Just a rant that's been building up for a while in my mind. You guys have a good day.
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You made me smile :)
I'm a bit like you while born and raised in France....
My grandfather used to say: If turds could fly, there would be no sunlight anymore. And: Every year, there are more and more assholes, but I think the ones from next year are already here !
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Dueling should make a comeback
Careful what you ask for, you might get it. :roll:
Also what your looking for, is probably what you will find. :lol:
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There is a term, "Polite Society." One of the definitions of this is, that people will be civil and polite if they're lives hang in the balance of being so. In the past (100+ years ago) telling someone to F T S's, would get you killed!

Our modern society strips this away! No one HAS to be polite, because there are no consequences of being offensive. Small minded, physically weak can afford to be asses without consequences.

And, the internet amplifies this. The anonymity of a site using pseudonyms (Usernames) exponentially amplifies it.

It becomes very easy and normal to assume and strike out without thinking.
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An armed society is a polite society . Actions have to have consequences to achieve politeness . Having no duty to retreat in my state coupled with the reasonable man standard on disparity of force gives me confidence when faced with adversity .
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Then only marksmen can be loudmouths.... lets do it!
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DAD300 wrote:There is a term, "Polite Society." One of the definitions of this is, that people will be civil and polite if they're lives hang in the balance of being so....
.....It becomes very easy and normal to assume and strike out without thinking.
I disagree, if someones life hangs in the balance based upon anothers idea of what's civil and polite
How can this be a "Polite Society"
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Reverend Newer wrote:Then only marksmen can be loudmouths.... lets do it!
I disagree , sir . Quiet people can also be marksmen . And there endeth the lesson .
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jon1163 wrote: I guess my point is I think we should bring back the duel. I think people would be much more apt to be polite if there was some sort of underlying threat of violence say 10 paces and pistols or sword fights with a friend who was acting as your second or hell even just stopping to box for a while.
I guess I don't get the logic. You'd rather run the risk of getting shot than dealing with some dipshit being a dipshit?

Just because someone is a dipshit doesn't make them a bad shot.
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Been my experience that dipshits have no expectation of facing another man's fire . When confronted with that reality they tend to shit down their leg while running away or bleeding out . Either outcome is acceptable .
Where is it written in the rule books that I should suffer another person's ignorance at my expense ?.................
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Maybe I come for backwards boon docks but back home some mug shakes his fist at ya ya dropped ya kit and have a dip. Worse that was going to happen was a busted nose with no mothers tears. Back then most had a gun rack in the ute but ya didn't look to it to settle a fight, I think a mouth full of knuckles it a pretty good deterrent for being a loudmouth to the same bloke twice. Now if threatened with deadly force all bets are off :thumbup:
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jon1163 wrote: Then a few weeks ago I'm driving along on the highway. Now I'm no slow poke I drive the speed limit a little bit more. I was going about 10 miles over the speed limit and this guy comes up behind me, I'm in the middle Lane because I'm passing traffic, and he swears around me gets in front of me and Slams on the brakes. No I'm not blocking traffic or anything but this guy seems to think that I'm Public Enemy Number One. He turns around pulls up to the side of me and gives me the old double barrel.
I'm not saying it was me mind you.[/b] Just people I KNOW have been in similar situations on the Interstate. If the guy is a REAL anal orifice, THEY (not me) have been known to call the Highway Patrol and report the incident, including the phrases " changing lanes and almost hitting people", and[b}
"Yes sir I moved over and he as he passed me he waved a pistol at me. That's when I slowed WAY down and called you"
THEY have even told me a couple of times they have gone up the road a few miles and seen the AO pulled over by the trooper cars (ALWAYS 2-3) with lights flashing and the guy with a REAL stupid look on his face. That story also helps me remember not to show my ass lest someone pull that on ME.

Final personal note, I occasionally see my old High School Principal(47 years ago) at Church.
I sometimes remind him about that large paddle behind the door in his office.
"Yes sir, I remember you had those holes drilled in it so it would hurt more. And it DID!"
"It did? Well sir, I'm sure you deserved it."
He was right.
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It's been my experience that 1. people can surprise you once you size them up and 2. having seen people shot mortally and otherwise, there is nothing romantic about it. There are no lessons learned by anyone. There's a lot of death, blood, pain, fear, rage and PTSD. All of those things cause people to make more bad decisions.

One old Billy Badass loses a fight, badly, against four dipshits with knives ten out of ten times. Reality doesn't play out like a movie.
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One of the things I am working on as a personal project is being able to let things go. I can let a guy be a jerk because of the understanding that I have been a jerk to people and they not confront me for it. If it’s like or death that’s another matter but some odd slight or bit of rudeness is easy enough to discount. The kind smile from the pretty lady or delivery man with his arms full is more than enough. I didn’t hold the door to be kind for that person. I did it so I could live in a world where sometimes strangers still do kind things for one another.


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Political thread. Threads pro less guns get locked, posts pro more guns are condoned.
I know, the thread started more as a joke. But then it got mixed with political positions like "An armed society is a polite society".

"Small minded, physically weak can afford to be asses without consequences."
So the world is better if only the less small minded and less physically weak can afford to be asses?

What about a thread like "Concentration camps should make a comeback" with a story about a Jewish banker who got my money.
Or "Raping women should make a comeback" with a story from a woman who got a few free drinks but then suddenly left the place.
Or "Forum gun shit should have consequences for the first time"
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der, i'm watching it closely.

yours is the first post that starts the inflammatory process. the others appear to be opinions i read the ?'s as rhetoric. that are not looking for responses. yours has ??? in it that seem to begs a rebuttal. On some very volatile subjects.


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I grew up in a more combative society that demanded personal responsibility for one's own actions . As we matured into adulthood we learned to temper judgement and action .
We also did not have a feeling of entitlement . We worked for what we got .
I worked for what I have and I'll be damned if I will give it up to some whiner that wants to label me 'privileged'.
Rant off .
I'm out of this thread with the direction it is taking .
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I was raised in a noncombative society, where personal responsibility and getting along with others was important.
Figured, we could all be privileged :lol:
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Shady who did you hire?

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HDNB wrote:yours is the first post that starts the inflammatory process. the others appear to be opinions i read the ?'s as rhetoric. that are not looking for responses. yours has ??? in it that seem to begs a rebuttal. On some very volatile subjects.
The one not agreeing with the others is always the one starting the inflammatory process.
Of course my ? are rethorical. But of course they may provoke a reaction. Where is the problem?

If the problem is starting the inflammatory process, this would mean, it is allowed to post something political as long noone cares? And then, if someone cares, it's the fault of the one who cares? So starting a thread about school shootings and pro gun prohibition would be ok, and when someone doesn't like it and posts it, it's his fault? I don't want to try it. And other rules? Threads about selling falsified spirits or about child porn, as long noone starts the inflammatory process, and then it would be his fault.

Why got this thread locked:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68011
Sure, simply because it's politics. Sound decision. No question. But it didn't need an inflammatory process to lock it. Why this time, why not other times? Why can someone post a right wing opinion about Brexit:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=63763&p=7497156#p7497133
Yes. Only applause. No inflammatory process started. And if I had started one, it would have been my fault.
Or here:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=61826
Dozens of times breaking the rules with racism, nationalism, anti-communism, history falsification.
You, Bushmann, Tater and thecroweater, you all were there more or less happily posting.

What is worth more:
- sound rules, valid for everyone.
- keeping the forum calm. Breaking the rules like posting political opinions is all right as long it's maiority opinions, because either most of the admins/mods agree with those opinions, or simply, because they cause less trouble than minority opinions.
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Well my initial post was meant to be humorous, a bit sarcastic, and with a touch of nostalgic truth. Sorry if it prompted political drama.
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jon1163 wrote:Well my initial post was meant to be humorous, a bit sarcastic, and with a touch of nostalgic truth. Sorry if it prompted political drama.
i think (almost) everyone here got the gist of it. but since the soap boxes have come out...
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Politics by nature often involves itself in social issues, that does not make social issues inherently political by nature.
Not all social issue view points can be pigeon holed as right or left some/many points of view are A political and a few folks are reading way to much into that.
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der wo wrote:
HDNB wrote:yours is the first post that starts the inflammatory process. the others appear to be opinions i read the ?'s as rhetoric. that are not looking for responses. yours has ??? in it that seem to begs a rebuttal. On some very volatile subjects.
The one not agreeing with the others is always the one starting the inflammatory process.
Of course my ? are rethorical. But of course they may provoke a reaction. Where is the problem?

If the problem is starting the inflammatory process, this would mean, it is allowed to post something political as long noone cares? And then, if someone cares, it's the fault of the one who cares? So starting a thread about school shootings and pro gun prohibition would be ok, and when someone doesn't like it and posts it, it's his fault? I don't want to try it. And other rules? Threads about selling falsified spirits or about child porn, as long noone starts the inflammatory process, and then it would be his fault.

Why got this thread locked:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68011
Sure, simply because it's politics. Sound decision. No question. But it didn't need an inflammatory process to lock it. Why this time, why not other times? Why can someone post a right wing opinion about Brexit:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=63763&p=7497156#p7497133
Yes. Only applause. No inflammatory process started. And if I had started one, it would have been my fault.
Or here:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=61826
Dozens of times breaking the rules with racism, nationalism, anti-communism, history falsification.
You, Bushmann, Tater and thecroweater, you all were there more or less happily posting.

What is worth more:
- sound rules, valid for everyone.
- keeping the forum calm. Breaking the rules like posting political opinions is all right as long it's maiority opinions, because either most of the admins/mods agree with those opinions, or simply, because they cause less trouble than minority opinions.
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