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VLAGAVULVIN wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:49 pm
The Baker wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:09 pm To speak American I hold my nose closed with my thumb and finger.
And pronounce every 't' within a word as a 'd'.
But then it's kinda non-rhotic South at best...
is that an 'merican thing? i thought it was just the millennials being lazy....doing up their buddons because it's impordand. I've just noticed that in the last 10 years or so in Canada.

they are mimicking American localisms? what area? da soudh?
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Hey hey careful with the 'm' word, I'm technically one of 'em. Bear in mind never have I once used the 'o' word, fellas.
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HDNB wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:28 pm they are mimicking American localisms? what area? da soudh?
I mean if you pronounce it like 'geddin bedda' (still squeezing your nose but without the final ARRRRGH) then it sounds like the deep South or Eubonics...

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Hell, you want ta know a real Southern boy, ask him to say “wash.” If there’s an R in his answer he’s from south of the Mason Dixon. Ask him what he means when he says “fixin’”. If he says repairin’ he’s a blue jacket pretender! If he says it means he’s gettin’ ready to do somethin, He grew up in God’s country. Up north the eat Dinner at night in a fancy restaurant. Here we have supper in the evenin’.
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"Jane's house, that we visited yesterday, is in terrible a state"

When said out loud, the ambiguity disappears, at least around my part. Generally, if someone were to say "Jane's house, that we visited yesterday, is in TERRIBLE state", clearly emphasizing 'terrible', the house is a sh*thole. Probably Jane is a meth addict. Maybe she has four kids, all having snotty noses, two needing a diaper change.

If it's more flat or if STATE gets the emphasis, it's going to be the territory. Probably Jane lives in the NorthEast or near a very large lake in the central part of our country. Jane might drive a Volvo, or possibly a Subaru.
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Emphasis, in spoken English, is what defines meaning more than anything else.

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bilgriss wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:55 am Jane might drive a Volvo, or possibly a Subaru.
LOL. :lol:
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Im from Oztrailia, been the the usa, most of the time, English is the last thing I would call the language used
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Yonder wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:33 pm Hell, you want ta know a real Southern boy, ask him to say “wash.” If there’s an R in his answer he’s from south of the Mason Dixon. Ask him what he means when he says “fixin’”. If he says repairin’ he’s a blue jacket pretender! If he says it means he’s gettin’ ready to do somethin, He grew up in God’s country. Up north the eat Dinner at night in a fancy restaurant. Here we have supper in the evenin’.
I heard also the girls tend more than boys to add R to anywhere. Do they really?
Da Southern Fixin is well described on the interwebs, yeah... so, I'd say "to fix up" havin "to repair" in my mind. But still "to fix an appointment", rite?..
HDNB wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:10 am
bilgriss wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:55 am Jane might drive a Volvo, or possibly a Subaru.
LOL. :lol:
Would you please, be so kind as to decrypt the reasons of you LOLing to a foreigner? :eugeek:
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FredVsBooze wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:21 pm Im from Oztrailia, been the the usa, most of the time, English is the last thing I would call the language used
Hellyeah, just checkin out this topic... it's kinda smashin... and I luv dat thang :clap: sorta history is still alive... amongst us.

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”so, I'd say "to fix up" havin "to repair" in my mind. But still "to fix an appointment", rite?..“ better you made an appointment or set one up. Goddamn! That muddin’ looks great! Big boys havin’ fun.
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Yonder wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:50 pm better you made an appointment or set one up
but not upset :twisted:
Yonder wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:50 pm Goddamn! That muddin’ looks great! Big boys havin’ fun.
They were havin'... until they had to fix their buckets up... so, what exactly was funny in the comment ab. volvo/subaru up :roll: there, folks?

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VLAGAVULVIN wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:03 pm
Yonder wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:50 pm better you made an appointment or set one up
but not upset :twisted:
Yonder wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:50 pm Goddamn! That muddin’ looks great! Big boys havin’ fun.
They were havin'... until they had to fix their buckets up... so, what exactly was funny in the comment ab. volvo/subaru up :roll: there, folks?
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It’s got me buggered too Geoff .
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What's finally wrong?.. :crazy:

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VLAGAVULVIN wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:03 pm They were havin'... until they had to fix their buckets up... so, what exactly was funny in the comment ab. volvo/subaru up :roll: there, folks?
people drive their personality. rednecks drive coal rollin' F-350 trucks. soccer moms like vans and SUV's rich old men think a convertible mercedes may catch a young girl's eye....and volvos (without getting too political) are often driven by round eye-glass wearing, goateed, jaunty beret wearing, courderoy trouser sporting, woke left leaning college professor types with a holier-than thou demeanor.
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Ahahaha, it's almost about me, carefully driving my tangerine-looking Suzuki S-Cross, lol :mrgreen:

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HDNB wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:47 am
VLAGAVULVIN wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:03 pm They were havin'... until they had to fix their buckets up... so, what exactly was funny in the comment ab. volvo/subaru up :roll: there, folks?
people drive their personality. rednecks drive coal rollin' F-350 trucks. soccer moms like vans and SUV's rich old men think a convertible mercedes may catch a young girl's eye....and volvos (without getting too political) are often driven by round eye-glass wearing, goateed, jaunty beret wearing, courderoy trouser sporting, woke left leaning college professor types with a holier-than thou demeanor.
They're boxy, but they're safe!
They are safe.
My wife's brother got seriously rear-ended in a Volvo and none of the four in it were hurt.
The police were amazed, said in anything but a Volvo...

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The Baker wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:19 pm
HDNB wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:47 am
VLAGAVULVIN wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:03 pm They were havin'... until they had to fix their buckets up... so, what exactly was funny in the comment ab. volvo/subaru up :roll: there, folks?
people drive their personality. rednecks drive coal rollin' F-350 trucks. soccer moms like vans and SUV's rich old men think a convertible mercedes may catch a young girl's eye....and volvos (without getting too political) are often driven by round eye-glass wearing, goateed, jaunty beret wearing, courderoy trouser sporting, woke left leaning college professor types with a holier-than thou demeanor.
They're boxy, but they're safe!
They are safe.
My wife's brother got seriously rear-ended in a Volvo and none of the four in it were hurt.
The police were amazed, said in anything but a Volvo...

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volvo ad.jpg
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Trust that my comment wasn't a judgement of the vehicle, but a geographically-centric observation of their occupants, relative density, and how things are said. Won't make any sense to anyone not watching folks from my perspective!
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I forgot to say that when my brother-in-law got rear-ended there was a stopped car in front of him as well.

Volvo sandwich.

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But that are sitting on the wrong side
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Hyphenated.

Non-hyphenated.

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Stollen originally from...

Couple years back I was trimming some split eucalyptus
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My soon-to-be daughter-in-law

Love these idioms (?) + they are absolutely clear for me as a foreigner. Nevertheless, wanna know if that's sorta "vernacular regionalisms" or the common-placed thing all over the Anglophones. Thanx!

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VLAGAVULVIN wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:29 am Stollen originally from...

Couple years back I was trimming some split eucalyptus
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My soon-to-be daughter-in-law

Love these idioms (?) + they are absolutely clear for me as a foreigner. Nevertheless, wanna know if that's sorta "vernacular regionalisms" or the common-placed thing all over the Anglophones. Thanx!
I'd say regional.
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I don’t know if they’re regional, but I have lived my entire life in socal. Been to probably a dozen different states and those kinds of sayings seemed pretty common.
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Twisted Brick wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:59 pm I don’t know if they’re regional, but I have lived my entire life in socal. Been to probably a dozen different states and those kinds of sayings seemed pretty common.
Don't they sound a bit odd then for fellas from Canada, Oz or Kiwiland?.. 8)

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Trimming some split eucalyptus huh?

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jonnys_spirit wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:35 am Trimming some split eucalyptus huh?

She was five and I was six we played horsey with my stick
remember how we play
Bang bang I shot her down
Good example.
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And 'til this day, sometimes I cry
He didn't even say goodbye

Actually, here the "issue" samples are:
A) A couple OF years back // are all the words in their places?
B) soon-to-be // sounds slightly "Irish-grammar-influenced" to me (dunno why, really) :wink:

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