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Post by Deplorable » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:38 pm

I want to make a stencil with my vinyl cutter and electro etch the inisde of my boiler with gallon marks, but I need some math help from some of you smarter folks on here.
My boiler is marketed as 13 gallons.
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Its radius is 43.5" and the height from the flat bottom to the top of the straight walls in 19".
My math says this:

       When Tank                  Then Tank
       Depth Equals                Volume Equals
       0.00    Inches   = = =   0.00  U S gallons
       1.00    Inches   = = =   0.65219  U S gallons
       2.00    Inches   = = =   1.3044  U S gallons
       3.00    Inches   = = =   1.9566  U S gallons
       4.00    Inches   = = =   2.6088  U S gallons
       5.00    Inches   = = =   3.261  U S gallons
       6.00    Inches   = = =   3.9132  U S gallons
       7.00    Inches   = = =   4.5654  U S gallons
       8.00    Inches   = = =   5.2176  U S gallons
       9.00    Inches   = = =   5.8698  U S gallons
       10.00    Inches   = = =   6.5219  U S gallons
       11.00    Inches   = = =   7.1741  U S gallons
       12.00    Inches   = = =   7.8263  U S gallons
       13.00    Inches   = = =   8.4785  U S gallons
       14.00    Inches   = = =   9.1307  U S gallons
       15.00    Inches   = = =   9.7829  U S gallons
       16.00    Inches   = = =   10.435  U S gallons
       17.00    Inches   = = =   11.087  U S gallons
       18.00    Inches   = = =   11.74  U S gallons
       19.00    Inches   = = =   12.392  U S gallons

Is this math correct? Or did I bugger it up.
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Re: Math is hard, I need help

Post by Saltbush Bill » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:47 pm

Try this, I use it or similar for marking large ferment tanks / containers for different size washes.
https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculat ... n/tank.php

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Post by jonnys_spirit » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:50 pm

I’d guess that diameter is 19” and height is 43.5”. Does that change the math tho?
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Post by cob » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:00 pm

+1 what jonnys_spirit said. you could pour in a gallon at a time and measure the levels,

you will soon come up with an inch measurement for a gallon or multiples in your cylinder.

use a wood stick an be quick you will be accurate enough. it's called "sticking the tank"
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Post by Deplorable » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:16 pm

Saltbush Bill wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:47 pm
Try this, I use it or similar for marking large ferment tanks / containers for different size washes.
https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculat ... n/tank.php
Using that my math is sound and my gallon marks would be about 1.6 inches on center.
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Post by Saltbush Bill » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:46 pm

Glad it was useful, Ive used it many times , I keep finding stainless vessels that can be used for storage , ferments or other distilling purposes, it makes finding the volume of most containers or marking volumes on containers simple.

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Post by The Baker » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:46 pm

Yeah, I use the stick.

For fermenters too.

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Post by zapata » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:56 pm

I'd at least use the stick to gauge the tank then print / etch / whatever the tank based on the stick. I love math, but why math volume instead of measuring volume? What if it's not perfectly round? Or there's a 20 ml dent on one side? Personally I'd measure the actual volume of the container if you're gonna mark it.

Get stick. Add 1 gallon. Dip stick, notch where wet. Repeat until full. Use stick until you get around to the etching.

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Post by Berserk » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:18 pm

I think your measurements are off if your boiler is 13 gallons.

If the radius is 43.5" and the height 19" you've got yourself a ~450 gallon still. In that case the 1 gallon line will be 0.04" above the boiler bottom.

My initial thought was that it's the height that's 43.5" and the 19" actually is the diameter, but even then you get a 53 gallon boiler. If that is indeed the case the gallon line is 0.8".

If the gallon line is 1.6" above the boiler bottom in your 13 gallon boiler you've got a radius of ~6.8", and a height of 21".

Good thing that the calculator was of help to you, because I'm not sure if any of my calculations above will be. Doing calculations in freedom units is hard.

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Post by Saltbush Bill » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:59 pm

Radius , Diameter and Circumference are all different .....be sure to enter the right values.

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Post by jonnys_spirit » Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:25 am

If you use a gallon jug to to fill and mark the boiler where on the jug is the accurate 1g mark? Top of the lip? Shoulder?

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Post by Rrmuf » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:29 am

Deplorable wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:38 pm
I want to make a stencil with my vinyl cutter and electro etch the inisde of my boiler with gallon marks, but I need some math help from some of you smarter folks on here.
My boiler is marketed as 13 gallons.
Still.jpg

Its radius is 43.5" and the height from the flat bottom to the top of the straight walls in 19".
My math says this:

       When Tank                  Then Tank
       Depth Equals                Volume Equals
       0.00    Inches   = = =   0.00  U S gallons
       1.00    Inches   = = =   0.65219  U S gallons
       2.00    Inches   = = =   1.3044  U S gallons
       3.00    Inches   = = =   1.9566  U S gallons
       4.00    Inches   = = =   2.6088  U S gallons
       5.00    Inches   = = =   3.261  U S gallons
       6.00    Inches   = = =   3.9132  U S gallons
       7.00    Inches   = = =   4.5654  U S gallons
       8.00    Inches   = = =   5.2176  U S gallons
       9.00    Inches   = = =   5.8698  U S gallons
       10.00    Inches   = = =   6.5219  U S gallons
       11.00    Inches   = = =   7.1741  U S gallons
       12.00    Inches   = = =   7.8263  U S gallons
       13.00    Inches   = = =   8.4785  U S gallons
       14.00    Inches   = = =   9.1307  U S gallons
       15.00    Inches   = = =   9.7829  U S gallons
       16.00    Inches   = = =   10.435  U S gallons
       17.00    Inches   = = =   11.087  U S gallons
       18.00    Inches   = = =   11.74  U S gallons
       19.00    Inches   = = =   12.392  U S gallons

Is this math correct? Or did I bugger it up.
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Post by still_stirrin » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:37 am

43.5 inches must be the circumference, not the “radius” as you’ve said.

A 43.5” circumference is a (C = pi x D) —> D = 43.5 / pi = 13.846 inch diameter. (hint, “pi” is 3.1415926....)

A cylinder’s volume is the area of the tank’s diameter (A = pi x D x D / 4) times the height (H).

So, the volume of your tank at 10” deep is V = A x H = (pi x 13.846 x 13.846 / 4) x 10 = 1505.7 cubic inches.

And 1 gallon is 231 cubic inches. So, at 10” depth, the tank is 1505.7 / 231 = 6.518 gallons, which confirms your initial calculations.

I’ve given you the formulas and an example, hopefully to help you understand the math.
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Post by Durhommer » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:37 am

Nice boiler
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Post by LWTCS » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:38 am

I'm with cob. I'd "stick" it a gallon at a time. At least to get past the bottom.
Can use the lid as your bench mark.

Do it 8.35 lbs at a time.
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Post by Yummyrum » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:14 am

LWTCS wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:38 am

Do it 8.35 lbs at a time.
Smart man Larry :thumbup: love it . :D

I’ve always poured in a Litre at a time and marked it . ....but...
Sticking it on the scales and adding a kg of water ( @20°C ) at a time makes a lot if sense . :thumbup: ... no incremental errors . :eugeek:

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Post by LWTCS » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:48 am

Yummyrum wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:14 am
LWTCS wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:38 am

Do it 8.35 lbs at a time.
Smart man Larry :thumbup: love it . :D

I’ve always poured in a Litre at a time and marked it . ....but...
Sticking it on the scales and adding a kg of water ( @20°C ) at a time makes a lot if sense . :thumbup: ... no incremental errors . :eugeek:
Many distilleries that dont have whoopdeedoo flow metering do liquid transfer according to weight.
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Post by Bushman » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:55 am

Saltbush Bill wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:47 pm
Try this, I use it or similar for marking large ferment tanks / containers for different size washes.
https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculat ... n/tank.php
Make sure when you open the link you change from horizontal to vertical when doing the calculations with this link.

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Post by Oldvine Zin » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:45 pm

Deplorable wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:38 pm
I want to make a stencil with my vinyl cutter and electro etch the inisde of my boiler with gallon marks, but I need some math help from some of you smarter folks on here.
My boiler is marketed as 13 gallons.
Still.jpg

Its radius is 43.5" and the height from the flat bottom to the top of the straight walls in 19".
My math says this:

       When Tank                  Then Tank
       Depth Equals                Volume Equals
       0.00    Inches   = = =   0.00  U S gallons
       1.00    Inches   = = =   0.65219  U S gallons
       2.00    Inches   = = =   1.3044  U S gallons
       3.00    Inches   = = =   1.9566  U S gallons
       4.00    Inches   = = =   2.6088  U S gallons
       5.00    Inches   = = =   3.261  U S gallons
       6.00    Inches   = = =   3.9132  U S gallons
       7.00    Inches   = = =   4.5654  U S gallons
       8.00    Inches   = = =   5.2176  U S gallons
       9.00    Inches   = = =   5.8698  U S gallons
       10.00    Inches   = = =   6.5219  U S gallons
       11.00    Inches   = = =   7.1741  U S gallons
       12.00    Inches   = = =   7.8263  U S gallons
       13.00    Inches   = = =   8.4785  U S gallons
       14.00    Inches   = = =   9.1307  U S gallons
       15.00    Inches   = = =   9.7829  U S gallons
       16.00    Inches   = = =   10.435  U S gallons
       17.00    Inches   = = =   11.087  U S gallons
       18.00    Inches   = = =   11.74  U S gallons
       19.00    Inches   = = =   12.392  U S gallons

Is this math correct? Or did I bugger it up.
But why??

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Post by The Baker » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:50 pm

I still like the graduated stick.

Graduated using a measured jug.

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Post by Deplorable » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:55 pm

Well, currently I fill my boiler with measured amounts of water to heat for mashing. Filling from the hose to a line in the boiler is easier than filling a vessel of known capacity and dumping it in and repeating. It also comes in handy if you're pumping from the fermenter into the boiler to know how nuch you've taken, and whats left.
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Post by The Baker » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:57 pm

Yep.
My graduated stick IS the 'line in the fermenter/ boiler/ whatever.'
A 'dedicated' stick for the vessel.

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Post by Deplorable » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:19 pm

I reckon a stick is fine if you cant see the sides of your boiler through the top opening. But why hold on to a dedicated stick when you can apply permanent marking to the vessel and be done with it? I tend to misplace things. I cant misplace graduated lines.
Use all your senses, and its not that hard. You just have to pay attention.

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Post by GabrielLeo » Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:55 pm

Deplorable wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:38 pm
I want to make a stencil with my top vinyl cutters and electro etch the inisde of my boiler with gallon marks, but I need some math help from some of you smarter folks on here.
My boiler is marketed as 13 gallons.
Still.jpg

Its radius is 43.5" and the height from the flat bottom to the top of the straight walls in 19".
My math says this:

       When Tank                  Then Tank
       Depth Equals                Volume Equals
       0.00    Inches   = = =   0.00  U S gallons
       1.00    Inches   = = =   0.65219  U S gallons
       2.00    Inches   = = =   1.3044  U S gallons
       3.00    Inches   = = =   1.9566  U S gallons
       4.00    Inches   = = =   2.6088  U S gallons
       5.00    Inches   = = =   3.261  U S gallons
       6.00    Inches   = = =   3.9132  U S gallons
       7.00    Inches   = = =   4.5654  U S gallons
       8.00    Inches   = = =   5.2176  U S gallons
       9.00    Inches   = = =   5.8698  U S gallons
       10.00    Inches   = = =   6.5219  U S gallons
       11.00    Inches   = = =   7.1741  U S gallons
       12.00    Inches   = = =   7.8263  U S gallons
       13.00    Inches   = = =   8.4785  U S gallons
       14.00    Inches   = = =   9.1307  U S gallons
       15.00    Inches   = = =   9.7829  U S gallons
       16.00    Inches   = = =   10.435  U S gallons
       17.00    Inches   = = =   11.087  U S gallons
       18.00    Inches   = = =   11.74  U S gallons
       19.00    Inches   = = =   12.392  U S gallons

Is this math correct? Or did I bugger it up.
I've heard good things about the cricut too, i think they're pretty similar machines in terms of cost and capabilities so just check out YouTube reviews, there are tons of head to head comps there and see what works for you. I think both are restricted to 12" widths but the cricut is limited to 24" length where as i think the silhouette can do significantly longer IIRC
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Post by Deplorable » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:46 pm

I have a silhouette and a large format 30 inch vinyl plotter.
Use all your senses, and its not that hard. You just have to pay attention.

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