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Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:04 pm

This isn't a sexy controller, but I use it for all kinds of brewing related stuff. I got a free stainless deep sink and a cheap 3/4 HP disposal. I put a bucket under it to catch what comes out.

I built a stand out of 2X4's and plywood and I am good to go. Originally it was for pulping apples to make cider, but it works great pulping all kinds of fruit. Most need no extra water. Apples need some to work right, but I use cider instead of water and just splash some in to keep it going. I've used it to grind sprouted grain too, and that needs water to keep it from turning into bread dough.

Most recently I used it to grind up bakery products after soaking in hot water. I packed a 5 gallon bucket full of donuts, cup cakes and Danish, poured in hot water and let it soak, then dumped it in. What came out looked like gravy with an SG of 1.080. I'm using some enzymes to see if I can get it up higher. The mash is in my Turkey Roaster on Keep Warm to do the conversion. I will dilute the mash if needed.

Anyway, the possibilities are endless and it works well and fast.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby fizzix » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:40 pm

Heck if that works, it's a brilliant application!
I imagine to clean it you just dump in some water and let 'er rip?
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby still_stirrin » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:03 pm

badflash wrote:What came out looked like gravy with an SG of 1.080. I'm using some enzymes to see if I can get it up higher.

The only thing is....the slurry is not necessarily a sugar solution. You have a high viscosity dough-like slurry. Of course, it'll show a specific gravity higher than pure water...because of all the "stickiness". But, that doesn't mean it's sugar. More likely, it's carbohydrates and water. Perhaps your enzymes will help reduce some of it, but I doubt it'll finish like a distillers beer would.

Good luck with it.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:27 pm

fizzix wrote:Heck if that works, it's a brilliant application!
I imagine to clean it you just dump in some water and let 'er rip?

Pretty much. I need to spray down the sides of the sink, but I have it set up outside, so I use the hose. Yes, cleanup is quick. The chickens clean up the leavings.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:33 pm

still_stirrin wrote:The only thing is....the slurry is not necessarily a sugar solution. You have a high viscosity dough-like slurry. Of course, it'll show a specific gravity higher than pure water...because of all the "stickiness". But, that doesn't mean it's sugar. More likely, it's carbohydrates and water. Perhaps your enzymes will help reduce some of it, but I doubt it'll finish like a distillers beer would.

I am doing 2 things, first, the gravity is from a refractometer, not a float, so I think it is accurate. I also am adding enzymes that should convert some of the carbs while it ferments. The first batch fermented really well, but I'm not distilling yet, so no idea how well it actually works or if it will just scorch in the pot.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby NineInchNails » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:31 am

I once made a margarita machine using an Igloo cooler and a garbage disposal. Works great, but it cannot run for very long before the thermal overload switches it off. Once it cools down it will run again. That's the main issue with garbage disposals.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby hellbilly007 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:15 am

Mmm, donut wine.

IMHO, I would leave the donuts out of the mix. I wouldn't want any shortening in a wash.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby Bushman » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:55 am

I have seen apples ground up using this method as it was one I avoided as it has too many problems for that function. Can you show pictures of the ground product as I would think it might need additional grinding but could be wrong.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby Soft batch » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:19 am

Bushman wrote:I have seen apples ground up using this method as it was one I avoided as it has too many problems for that function. Can you show pictures of the ground product as I would think it might need additional grinding but could be wrong.


The disposal grinds apples up perfectly for the cider press. Having to pre-cut them because they tend to roll, and the occasional overheating are issues. There are mods out there that replace the internal motor with an external one.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:10 am

I use a 3/4 HP Badger model from Home Depot. For apples it will go 15 minutes before shutting down. I need a break by then anyway. If you want a floor fan over it, it will reset quickly. The Badger does a courser grind than many other brands. This works great for cider. You don't want apple sauce to squeeze.

I use a turkey roaster to get the stuff up to 140F for the enzymes, then dump into an igloo cooler to sit and convert. The roaster scorches a little, but not too bad. My feed stock is free so I'm not worried about a little loss.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:03 pm

hellbilly007 wrote:IMHO, I would leave the donuts out of the mix. I wouldn't want any shortening in a wash.

I discovered, based on another suggestion from theis group, to put the fermentor bucket in the fridge. The fat floats to the top and hardens and the trub seaparates and goes to the bottom. Very little fat is left.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby Bushman » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:51 pm

Soft batch wrote:
Bushman wrote:I have seen apples ground up using this method as it was one I avoided as it has too many problems for that function. Can you show pictures of the ground product as I would think it might need additional grinding but could be wrong.


The disposal grinds apples up perfectly for the cider press. Having to pre-cut them because they tend to roll, and the occasional overheating are issues. There are mods out there that replace the internal motor with an external one.

Yes before building my grinder for apples I researched this completely, my reference to pictures is to what the bakery products look like after going through the disposal.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:01 pm

Bushman wrote: my reference to pictures is to what the bakery products look like after going through the disposal.
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I don't have pictures handy, but there is nothing recognizable or bigger than about 1/8". It looks like chunky gravy.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:49 pm

Got some pictures today when I did a 5 gallon batch of confections:
The Grinder:
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A bucket of confections:
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After dumping boiling water and a little stirring:
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Once through the grinder:
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Into the turkey roaster to keep warm, pasteurize and add enzymes:
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Close up of "Gravy"
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby Badmotivator » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:04 pm

Just chiming in to endorse the garbage disposal for apples. I did around 700 lbs last year with a 1 ¼ hp grinder dropping straight into buckets. The grinder operator could grind as fast as two people could quarter the apples and it never overheated.

I pressed the applesauce using a homemade cider press built into my 12-ton Harbor Freight shop press. It's the flat-type juice press instead of the slatted-cylinder-type press. We tried a large cylindrical wine press first but we could not get the juice extracted in a reasonable time. The flat type press was far more effective and quick. I was very happy with the process and will use it again this fall with no modifications. I imagine this kind of press has been written about at length elsewhere, but if anyone would like more information just let me know and I'll post pics. You could build one for around $200, or much less if you already have a shop press.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:31 pm

Badmotivator wrote:Just chiming in to endorse the garbage disposal for apples. I did around 700 lbs last year with a 1 ¼ hp grinder dropping straight into buckets. The grinder operator could grind as fast as two people could quarter the apples and it never overheated.

What disposal make & model did you use? Mine will not run non stop even though it is rated for continuous duty. Donuts are no problem.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby Bushman » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:10 am

badflash wrote:
Badmotivator wrote:Just chiming in to endorse the garbage disposal for apples. I did around 700 lbs last year with a 1 ¼ hp grinder dropping straight into buckets. The grinder operator could grind as fast as two people could quarter the apples and it never overheated.

What disposal make & model did you use? Mine will not run non stop even though it is rated for continuous duty. Donuts are no problem.

Must be a really good one as I have read many that used disposals and they either over-heated or clogged that is why I avoided it in my grinder build.

Badflash I am impressed thanks for adding the photos.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby badflash » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:42 am

Just ran a 5 gallon bucket of potatoes through. Definitely need to cut them in half to grind. Round ones get stuck, even if they are small. Ones with flats on them grind right up. Got some new enzymes from Enzymash. The guy there wrote back and said to use the same process as corn, but adjust due to the lower amount of starch. Potatoes are about 20% vs. corn which is about 70%. I should be able to use less enzyme, but I won't just to be safe.
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Re: Stand-Alone Disposal

Postby Badmotivator » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:18 pm

badflash wrote:
Badmotivator wrote:Just chiming in to endorse the garbage disposal for apples. I did around 700 lbs last year with a 1 ¼ hp grinder dropping straight into buckets. The grinder operator could grind as fast as two people could quarter the apples and it never overheated.

What disposal make & model did you use? Mine will not run non stop even though it is rated for continuous duty. Donuts are no problem.


Oops. It's only 1 HP. Waste King Legend Series 8000, currently $100 on Amazon.

Here's the homemade press I use for apples and grain. I'm really happy with the combination of disposal and press.
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