I also have 23ft coil in a 16x16x24 inch box. And dam that thing will handle a lot!!!!! With out running fresh water into the box I can do 3-4 runs on the same water!!!Butch27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:45 am You guys think your 42 or 48 inchers are big with lots of capacity. Coil up 25ft and put it in a bucket so as that 23 or 24 are below the water line and now you have a beast for a condenser. Cold water in the bottom and hot out the overflow at the top. You always have a nice temp gradient and have reserve cooling if you do happen to have a hiccup in the flow of cooling water. I will put my worm and flakestand up against a liebig anytime.
Go big or go home- 42" Liebig
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I think most here dismiss the worm/flakestand as "old" technology and therefore not as good but they are very robust and reliable.
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Who cares how old it is. In terms of reliability, a lot of us are indoor stillers and a liebig is more robust since its fully sealed (can't spill).
Also, this is a thread about liebig's, and not flake stands lol
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I also still inside. Spilling is not a problem.
This thread is in the condenser/cooling section and in my opinion is about large condensers of which mine is one. Much larger than any liebig that I have seen on the site.
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Mine isn't the biggest, but it works real good
1" inside a 1.5" X 36" long.
1" inside a 1.5" X 36" long.
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Just in terms of surface area (there could be other things at play) that would be like a 72 inch 3/4 over 1/2. Should work pretty good.
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Mine has a 54 inch jacket.Tom Kat wrote:Expat beat by 6 inches! Story of ny life!
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Re: Go big or go home- 42" Liebig
Unless my math is bad, it's closer to 144" Edited 72" is the right number.
Doubling the diameter will slow down the vapor speed so there's more time for condensing.
Some times it's better to go bigger than it is to make it longer
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I am pretty happy with my build. I am sure it will serve me well.
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When do you get to break it in? Or have you already.
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I am on day 8 of Rads All Bran wash. Hopefully this weekend. Its still bubbling...
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Check it with a hydrometer yet? It's likely done.
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There is a lot of fashion and #metoo with home distilling.
A big bucket with a coil of copper line is dead simple, cheap, easy and even easier to expand.
A liebig is another simple easy to make out of locally available cheap parts.
Silly buggers all want whatever the newest coolest thing of the week is...
I just unpacked my new product condenser this evening
A big bucket with a coil of copper line is dead simple, cheap, easy and even easier to expand.
A liebig is another simple easy to make out of locally available cheap parts.
Silly buggers all want whatever the newest coolest thing of the week is...
I just unpacked my new product condenser this evening
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Re: Go big or go home- 42" Liebig
I figure a shotgun would be in the liebig category.
Come to think about it, a worm and flake stand would be too.
Come to think about it, a worm and flake stand would be too.
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You could argue that my shotgun is just a 90" liebig.
But a long slow cooling path in contact with the copper is a thing that plenty of people put a lot of stock in.
Those fancy pants boutique distillers with the big copper stills like to claim that the time that the vapor is in contact with the copper makes for the special magic that separates their elixir from everyone else.
They never show the tanker truck at the loading dock pumping GNS into their tanks
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It has the same surface area as 90" liebig
But the shotgun is five 18" liebigs in parallel.
Therefor the vapor speed through each tube is 1/5th.
That means there's more time for the vapor to condense.
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Hi folks,
How big is “go big”? Are we talking surface area” Length? Pipe size? Is a 1 ¼” tube 24” long as big as a 42” x ½” tube? Will the bigger diameter vapor flow be slower, if slower will the heat transfer be more efficient?
I could go to 1 ¼” to 3/4”and use a 1 ¼” water jacket, but space requirements keep me at length of 20”.
Reason I ask is, I’m going to be using 1 ¼” copper tubing coming put of my thumper. I ‘m hoping to channel directly into a new liebrig I plan to build. Vapor will be coming off a vertical 1 ¼” (thru a 90 + 45 + coupler) Directly into planned (yet to be built) Liebrig. I’m think of 1 ¼” sealed inside 2” water jacket. Plan to pack the inside tubing with copper mesh to breakup the vapor path and suck the heat to the outside of the 1 ¼” tubing. The overall length is planned to be 20” inside the 2” water wrapper. Maybe I’ll put some packing in the water flow path too, to pull heat to the outside tubing too.
Aside from the weight, I’m wondering what length it actually has to me, where is the overkill length? Or is it long enough? I’m thinking the interior of the tube will be about 99 sq inches, not considering the surface of the copper packing....
How big is “go big”? Are we talking surface area” Length? Pipe size? Is a 1 ¼” tube 24” long as big as a 42” x ½” tube? Will the bigger diameter vapor flow be slower, if slower will the heat transfer be more efficient?
I could go to 1 ¼” to 3/4”and use a 1 ¼” water jacket, but space requirements keep me at length of 20”.
Reason I ask is, I’m going to be using 1 ¼” copper tubing coming put of my thumper. I ‘m hoping to channel directly into a new liebrig I plan to build. Vapor will be coming off a vertical 1 ¼” (thru a 90 + 45 + coupler) Directly into planned (yet to be built) Liebrig. I’m think of 1 ¼” sealed inside 2” water jacket. Plan to pack the inside tubing with copper mesh to breakup the vapor path and suck the heat to the outside of the 1 ¼” tubing. The overall length is planned to be 20” inside the 2” water wrapper. Maybe I’ll put some packing in the water flow path too, to pull heat to the outside tubing too.
Aside from the weight, I’m wondering what length it actually has to me, where is the overkill length? Or is it long enough? I’m thinking the interior of the tube will be about 99 sq inches, not considering the surface of the copper packing....
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I sit corrected .
Not quite sure it is that simple though.
i.e. steam is equally homogenously distributed through all 5 barrels.
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Nice setup makes me want to build my keg alot more now
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Pretty good looking.tiramisu wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:17 pm There is a lot of fashion and #metoo with home distilling.
A big bucket with a coil of copper line is dead simple, cheap, easy and even easier to expand.
A liebig is another simple easy to make out of locally available cheap parts.
Silly buggers all want whatever the newest coolest thing of the week is...
I just unpacked my new product condenser this evening
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Plenty more room in that jacket for an additional length of inner tube (more surface area).
It'll work just fine.
Though more available surface area would allow you exploit the efficiency of your cooling media.
It matters not if you've plenty of water.
I'm sure she'll work like a charm.
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Just eyeballing it, I'm thinking they could have got 2 or maybe even 3 more tubes in it. Why would they not have done that? Price point?
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cost and requirement.
15 gallon keg, 5500w element.
I could have bought bigger, more tubes, copper... but only if you pay.
That is the real advantage of the liebig or a coil in a bucket.
Cheap and easy.
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Imo, they didn't know any better. So many copy cats out there now that are replicating and aesthetic without paying actual attention to the actual details.
The added cost really is negligible.
Good news is it's just fine,,,,though could've been better.
Its fine.
The keg and element is only part of it. Coolant temps matter when your water is 90 degrees out of the tap in the summer or you live in a place with strict water usage policy and being an ice jockey becomes just as prohibitive.
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