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Need a bigger pot !

Postby Pikey » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:57 pm

I need a bigger cooker and came across this - what do we think ?

http://www.starmarinedepot.com/quick-nautic-boiler-bx-50-liter---water-heater/pqk1408.html

[Edit - I know it says "Not available" - but I have located one - just that this description is better. :) ]
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Bushman » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:13 pm

When I zoomed in it did not look like the top is SS. It mentions the stainless used but in the bullet it says high quality material not stainless steel which makes me think parts of it are not.
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Pikey » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:25 pm

Yes that is a question which needs to be answered.

It also says this :
".....The tank is made of 1.5 mm gauge 316 AISI stainless steel welded with Argon shielding gas and hence highly resistant to corrosive agents. The electrical heating element is made of incoloy steel. ......"

[Edit - on further research, the spec also says it is double skinned, with insulation between the skins, so we are not necessarily seeing the boiler part as such. ]
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby cob » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:00 pm

the description in features says the tank is 316 stainless.

the description in specifications says treated steel for inner and outer tanks

under features it says the heat exchanger is 316 stainless

do you want a tank with a heat exchanger in it ?

conflicting information in their different descriptions needs sorted.
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby still_stirrin » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:25 pm

I bet a 13 gallon milk can would be less expensive to aquire. This marine water heater, being a special service piece of equipment, sounds expensive. I didn't actually see the price tag because it is not available (discontinued??).

But a milk can has a TC element provision, a TC still connection, and possibly even a drain outlet. Its designed for the purpose you need it for. This water heater, on the other hand, is designed for a boat, where the showers are short and you don't need a lot of hot water. But, they have to be safe (non hazardous) because you could be in the middle of the ocean and there's no place to go if it explodes or catches fire.

I would vote :thumbdown: if it were me....but its not.
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Pikey » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:46 am

still_stirrin wrote:I bet a 13 gallon milk can would be less expensive to aquire. This marine water heater, being a special service piece of equipment, sounds expensive. I didn't actually see the price tag because it is not available (discontinued??).

But a milk can has a TC element provision, a TC still connection, and possibly even a drain outlet. Its designed for the purpose you need it for. This water heater, on the other hand, is designed for a boat, where the showers are short and you don't need a lot of hot water. But, they have to be safe (non hazardous) because you could be in the middle of the ocean and there's no place to go if it explodes or catches fire.

I would vote :thumbdown: if it were me....but its not.
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Elsewhere they run at 650 Euros reduced from 900 Eu ss. This one I think I can get for £100 (New - old stock) - I can't find a milk Churn in stainless to save my life over here :( and kegs are like rocking horse crap too !
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Pikey » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:58 am

cob wrote:the description in features says the tank is 316 stainless.

the description in specifications says treated steel for inner and outer tanks under features it says the heat exchanger is 316 stainless


Yes it does doesn't it ? That's a concern ! Thanks for spotting that.

cob wrote:do you want a tank with a heat exchanger in it ?


I have in mind to combine it with this, so yes -

http://w.homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=63870

At the moment I have one of these but 110 Litres, and it was my intention to cut the top off it and use a stainless bowl for a lid. [Edit Forming a flange for a joint is also a bit of a worry]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HOT-WATER-COPPER-CYLINDER-INDIRECT-FOAM-LAGGED-TANK-42-x-18-1050x450mm-VENTED-/140447918409?hash=item20b3592949:g:8SwAAOxySy9SRABJ

The trouble with that is that the copper is very thin, which bothers me a bit and it is also tall. I'm not convinced I have the headroom in my outbuilding to have a decent height column and I'm convinced that I want around 48" plus the boiler height. and room to get a bucket under a tap on the bottom of the side, so I need to have it on a little stand.
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Pikey » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:13 pm

Went to £100 and lost it - Now I'm thinking that's something I'm going to repent at liesure :(
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Danespirit » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:56 pm

Well, It says it's a heat exchanger. I'm not sure it's just a tank with a heating element, could have some pipes in it, too (that would probably be the 316 SS).
I'd stay away from that copper tank on E-bay too.. The copper is probably very thin and the foam around aids the structural integrity, so it can't be cut away without problems.
The milk can is really a good alternative. Or what about a stainless keg...? You can get them as euro keg with 50 or 30 L .
I don't know how things are in the UK, but here I get a milk can very easy. Then it's just a matter of welding/soldering a 1" fitting into it for the heating element (cheap on E-bay).
The picture below is my boiler, a 25 L milk can with an inverted bowl on top. The spout at the bottom is a 1/2" female threaded fitting for a drain. I don't like to handle scalding hot stillage, so a 1/2" full-bore valve sits in there.
A barbed hose connector comes from the valve and a hose is attached to it...runs directly into the floor drain.
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Danespirit » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:11 pm

Oh..I almost forgot... here is one I found in the Uk for a decent price: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/stainless-ste ... SwTA9X54yF
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Pikey » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:07 am

Thank you Danespirit.

The link in my previous post, explains my situation.

I already have a 25 Litre tea urn pot, which is ok but slow to heat and expensive to run and I want a bigger one. The one I was referring to does have a stainless heat exchanger, which I was hoping to use as explained in that thread I link to and was 50 litres, whereas the copper cylinder I already have is 100+ and as you and I both observed, the copper is thin.

I reckon that pot you linked to is around 25 litres from the dims given - thanks for trying to help though and I suppose if I end up winding my own heat exchanger, I will, but failing all else, I'll give the copper a go first. They are intended to be used in a heating system, and the one I have is pre-foam, so it may be slightly thicker, if what you say about the foam is correct.

It's the forming of the joint between the cut top and the stainless bowl which bothers me most.

Anyway, as I said - thanks 8)
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby markieb » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:35 am

heya pikey i been looking up on some of your old posts and see that this is the usual time you look to do different builds i saw this on ebay and figured id post it up for you to take a view its uk and free postage im tempted but dont have the funds atm to buy https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-copp ... 0037.m2107
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Swedish Pride » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:49 am

can you not get your hands on a keg?
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Swedish Pride » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:00 am

Don't be a dick
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Squint » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:38 am

markieb wrote:heya pikey i been looking up on some of your old posts and see that this is the usual time you look to do different builds i saw this on ebay and figured id post it up for you to take a view its uk and free postage im tempted but dont have the funds atm to buy https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-copp ... 0037.m2107


be aware it is not solid copper, Coated is the clue
a vintage copper coated one
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Squint » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:51 am

Pikey, I am nearly sure this company sell single kegs to home brewers, UK based company.
http://www.crusaderkegsandcasks.com/stock-kegs/

Well that is if you want one or more
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby Pikey » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:11 am

Thanks for the replies lads - 8)

I'm suited now - In fact I have a lovely pot, very similar to a 55 Litre keg, with electric heating, courtesy of another very helpful member and a lovely stainless Electric double boiler Mash tun, which I had intended to convert, before the previous mentioned item came up, and TWO of those 100 Litre plus copper cylinders, one of which even come with a thumper attached :D

One copper ;

DSC_5123 - resize.JPG


DSC_5128 - resize.JPG


ANd here's the other ;

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So I've gone from "Not having a pot to P*** in"..... as it were to having a current suplus of fine utensils ! :D :D

I do appreciate the suggestions though - thanks muchly :)
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Re: Need a bigger pot !

Postby durty_dunderpants » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:08 am

nice bit of copper there Pikey!

just for the record of anyone based near Pikey with a one to spend on a shiney new keg, crusader don't tend to sell direct these days, but brewuk are crusader's endmarket stockist (20L, 30L, 50L) and kammac are a little cheaper (30L, 50L).
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