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Troy & sons

Post by Acp380 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:50 am

Hello all. I apologize for using the m word but I was watching moonshiners and at the troy & sons distillery I noticed they were using a clear plastic hose as their discharge hose from the Condenser. Now if it were in any other scene in the show I would disregard it but since it was in a legit distillery I'm curious. Is this common practice? Is it safe to transfer high abv spirits using these materials? The reason I ask is because I have been using a plastic funnel from the lhbs to fill my carboy and it concerns me.

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Post by Bushman » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:58 am

What I once read there are like 11 or so different types of plastic material and one is suitable for high abv alcohol. With that said the odds our members will not choose or do the research to purchase the right one thus we will not promote plastic as it is too easy for members to use the wrong material.

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Post by kurgan » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:02 am

Bushman is right. I cringe when I see it because of my time here on the forum. In her defense, I highly doubt she just ran out to the nearest Lowe's and bought that hose. I'm sure (and hope) it is the one approved for high abv.

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kurgan is right about Bushman being right

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Post by Acp380 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:18 am

WooTeck wrote:kurgan is right about Bushman being right
Lmao.

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Post by thecroweater » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:30 am

WooTeck is right about kurgan being right about bushman being correct as i have seen the same think done at distilleries around here and it was explained to me that it is not your average plastic but a special material made for the stilling profession to use in high ABV . Not really something i would like to see explored to much in the forums as there is just way to much scope for serious errors to be made :thumbup:
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Post by Acp380 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:20 am

Thanks for the replies guys. Looks like I need a stainless or copper funnel asap.

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Post by Bigbob » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:11 pm

My son got me a copper one, I love it. Think he found it on eBay . Was made in India . Before I used a plastic funnel to fill my bottles, you can see the plastic kinda melting around the outside of the funnel. Plastics :thumbdown:
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Post by Fastill » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:08 pm

Acp380 wrote:Hello all. I apologize for using the m word but I was watching moonshiners and at the troy & sons distillery I noticed they were using a clear plastic hose as their discharge hose from the Condenser. Now if it were in any other scene in the show I would disregard it but since it was in a legit distillery I'm curious. Is this common practice? Is it safe to transfer high abv spirits using these materials? The reason I ask is because I have been using a plastic funnel from the lhbs to fill my carboy and it concerns me.
If you are filling your carboy with wash ready to ferment then you are good to go. Even after fermentation I use a beer funnel to fill my boiler. I also use it for beer I brew.
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Post by moosemilk » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:18 pm

I picked up a stainless funnel from a restaurant supply store for a couple bux for using on my high ABV. I have no need for any other funnels as I use a siphon to rack. And I don't ferment in carboys. Too much of a pita for me to clean.

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Post by Brutal » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:41 pm

Hate to admit that I watch that show from time to time still. Usually yelling and cussing about how fake it is and how they should be doing things...

But... that is one fine woman right there. That is exactly my style.

I do peek in more frequently now that she's on it.
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Post by Acp380 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:45 am

Brutal wrote:
But... that is one fine woman right there. That is exactly my style.


I can definitely agree with that!

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Post by Rastus » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:29 pm

i thought i was the only one to notice the hose...

i also saw some videos from another legit distillery, where they were using what appeared to be clear vinyl hose ....

at least it is good that all the safety info we use as mantra here is showing... it is good to question that sort of thing... i mean really, do the feds tour a distillery and check the equipment or tubing etc for safety health issues? or do they just make sure the sugar in = alcohol out = proper taxation? well anyhow...

so if say randy Rumseed from blanked out distillery a new micro biz distillery, needs a hose and runs down to the nearest ace hardware and finds "Food grade" clear vinyl and brings a few feet back to get the distillate to the container without splashing, who inspects for that? or if we see something is it proper and correct to ask regarding the materials of concern?

just wondering...
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Post by Brutal » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:28 pm

I don't think anybody inspects for that. Could be wrong though. That shit's pretty scary if you think about it.
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Post by Rastus » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:49 pm

yes, scarey, but also makes me damned glad i studied up on this gift of a site, and have learned enough to know the difference ...

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Post by whiskymonster » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:02 pm

More than possible that randy rumseed used the random cheap ass unidentified plastic hose.

Seeing as even a micro would produce an order of magnitude more spirit than even the most industrious of us, id have thunk that the lesson would be learned quite quickly once the hose melted into a sticky plasticy mess.
If for no reason than lost likker works out expensive, and rather dangerous if you lost a fair amount before you noticed!

Or would constant use running gallons of high test through it leach away all the nasties, and eventually leave a relatively safe hose?
how many bottles of nasty hooch before the hose is purged of nasty?
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Post by mixxer » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:13 pm

I've never distilled (on the learning curve and collecting bits for first build). I do though make a steaped ginger liquor with a high proof (72% vol) French eaux de vie. I masserate that in glass jarsjars and rack it off in to glass wine bottles with natural cork. No plastic in sight. I do though use generic clear 'food safe' pipe to siphon it. Its around 60% by then.

Is there a safe way to rack highhigh proof stuff?

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Post by awerdenty » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:17 am

I watch the show just to laugh and get pissed off and rant. I saw this too and was wondering about it. To me it looks like clear vinyl hose and after having done research looking for acceptable hoses, there are a few that are made from ptfe (very $$$) and a few other materials FDA approved for alcohol transfer up to 96% (probably approved safe since it shouldnt be handling hot steaming alcohol). The issue I found is that most are wrapped protected hoses, and those that arent wrapped arent completely clear but slightly milky or colored, so is this hose they used acceptable? Well if it is vinyl, then we here know the answer, but what about craft disitlleries that dont know or use this site?

Well this leads to the other issue (in my not complete research), I havent found anything about the guberment listing approved materials. I have read pretty thoroughly through the CFR dealing with distilleries and requirements of running, and no surprise I found no list of approved materials or even banned materials. Also no surprise everything was geared toward accuracy of measurement and security along the entire process so they can get every last nickle from you, but not toward ensuring public safety though I guess that would fall under the FDA or Dept of Ag.

My favorite line from the commentator so far is "the faster it comes off the still, the higher the proof"

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Post by S-Cackalacky » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:39 pm

There was an episode last season(?) where Tim packed up his first legal run to send off to the bottler. It was in one of those 300 gallon plastic totes with the steel cage around it. And this was in a supposedly "legal" distillery. So, if using plastic for THAT is standard procedure, why wouldn't they use it for other things. But then, maybe it's myth just like the rest of the show.
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Post by MyUncleMo » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:53 pm

S-Cackalacky wrote:There was an episode last season(?) where Tim packed up his first legal run to send off to the bottler. It was in one of those 300 gallon plastic totes with the steel cage around it. And this was in a supposedly "legal" distillery. So, if using plastic for THAT is standard procedure, why wouldn't they use it for other things. But then, maybe it's myth just like the rest of the show.
Pure grain neutral spirits used to make vodka and other liquors are shipped from KY to WA in those totes... From Pharma Grade providers.
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Post by freshwaterjellyfish » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:18 am

their heirloom platinum moonshine is good. i just finished the bottle a week ago. i sipped it the way it was; w and without ice, also w apple juice...im not sure how else people of NC would mix it. i agree w Brutal 100% with Troy...holy smokes what a fine lady!!
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Post by Appalachia-Shiner » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:37 am

All this TALK about Troy Ball and no Pictures>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here you go and she is a nice lady with an amazing story....The sons part.
Troy with her first still.

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