High fructose corn syrup

guest · Post by **guest** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:41 pm

High fructose corn syrup is apparently much cheeper than sugar otherwise Coke and Pepsi would use sugar. I've tried to find someplace I can buy it but when I google it all that comes up up is a bunch of hippie web sites telling me how evil it is. Since i don't know how much it costs I cant compare prices between it and regular corn syrup. Does anyone know where corn syrup or hcfc can be ordered in bulk (5 Galon Pails or 55 galon drums). Also does anyone know how much more of either I would have to add to an 8 KG turbo yeast.

I started my first wash 11 days ago Alcotec 48, 6.05 KG Sugar, 19 ltrs RO purified water, and 102.2 grams of yeast. My carboys aren't big enough to use the whole 8 KG. That should put me inbetween the 2 and 5 day concentration. It still looks the same color as when I first mixed it (I"m color blind so it could be a different color). The airlock still bubbles once every 10 to 20 minutes. The room it's in is 76 degrees which is pretty close to opimum acording to alcotec. Is it going to clear up or is it stuck. I bought turbo yeast so I wouldn't have to wait weeks. I'd appriciate any advise.

Uncle Remus · Post by **Uncle Remus** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:47 pm

I don't know about the syrup. But if you want your turbo wash to clear up, put it somewhere where it is cool and it will probably settle out and clear somewhat. It sounds like it's finished working, if you got a hydrometer check the specific gravity and see if the sugar is used up.

Midol · Post by **Midol** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:51 pm

I was told by a hell of alot of personal trainers and such that HCFS is one of the worst kinds of fats/sugars to consume. It is incredibly hard to burn off or something.

For that fact alone I would be hesitant to use it... unless you like putting on weight.

Uncle Remus · Post by **Uncle Remus** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:27 pm

He ain't gonna drink it, just use it to make alcohol. By the time it ferments and is distilled there won't be any fat or sugar carried into the distillate.

Midol · Post by **Midol** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:47 pm

Ohh yeah, I am an idiot.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:24 am

theholymackerel wrote:Howdy guest.

If yer lookin' for buckets or barrels of high fructose corn sugar try yer local bee keepers supply shop. They sell it anywhere from the bucket to the palate of barrels.

What do bee keepers use it for?

pothead · Post by **pothead** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:15 am

I found some suppliers.....
http://www.globalsuppliersonline.com/se ... h=fructose" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

jbrew9999 · Post by **jbrew9999** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:39 am

55 gal drums and smaller containers right here:
http://www.naturesflavors.com/product_i ... ts_id=7327" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Post by **golden pond** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:48 am

I thought bout trying corn syrup myself sometime, does anyone here know what the conversion between it and sugar would be?

Watershed · Post by **Watershed** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:57 pm

Anonymous wrote:
theholymackerel wrote:Howdy guest.

If yer lookin' for buckets or barrels of high fructose corn sugar try yer local bee keepers supply shop. They sell it anywhere from the bucket to the palate of barrels.

What do bee keepers use it for?

If my addled brain serves me correctly at this time of night it's an approximation to nectar so you can keep your bees going during poor times or during the winter. I've never kept bees though.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:15 pm

golden pond wrote:I thought bout trying corn syrup myself sometime, does anyone here know what the conversion between it and sugar would be?

I do not know for sure, but I do know that the HFCS-90 is Much closer to actual sugar than the stuff in the link above.....
HOWEVER...at $15.00 for a 55 gallon drum, I am thinking that it might be worth it.(depending on the shipping)

punkassrookie · Post by **punkassrookie** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:22 pm

golden pond wrote:I thought bout trying corn syrup myself sometime, does anyone here know what the conversion between it and sugar would be?

I've got my wash that has been going for almost a week now that was made out of one bottle of generic grocery brand corn syrup, brown sugar, and baking yeast. I just looked at the nutritonal facts to figure out how much sugar is actually in the whole bottle. It ended up being about 1lb of sugar in a 1qt bottle of corn syrup.

guest · Post by **guest** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:30 pm

Apparently High fructose Corn Syrup comes in two grades. The carbohydrate profile of HCFC42 is 42% fructose, 53% glucose, 3% maltose, 3% higher sacchrides. measured on a dry bassis. with 28.5 to 29.5 % moisture. HCFC55 is 55% fructose, 41%glucose, 2% maltose, and 2% higher sacchrides. with 22.5 % to 23.5% moisture. I would think that those Percentages would be by weight but Cargill didn't specify. Cargill also makes a 95% dextrose corn syrup that is 3% maltose, .5% maltotriose, 1.5 % higher saccherides with 28.5% to 29.5% water. I havent figured out how to buy any of this at resonable prices. The link to natures flavors from pothead is selling it at $14.95 a gallon which would not be price competative with sucrose.

I don't have a good place to cool my wash to get it to clear up I've got 86F, 76F, and 10F can I run the wash thru filter paper or do I have to wait and syphon ?

Thanks.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:08 pm

Unless it is a misprint, the above link (not pothead's link) has 55 gallon drums of HFCS-55 for $15.00

from the little research I have done, HFCS usually comes in 3 grades...
HFCS-45 , HFCS-55 , and HFCS-90 .

HFCS-90 would be the sweetest, and is too sweet for most soda companies.

Most soda companies use the HFCS-55

DBM · Post by **DBM** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:35 pm

High fructose corn syrup is used to feed bees in earley spring or late winter depending on where you are.
When bees start bringing in an abundance of food the queen is stimulated to start laying. By feeding bees at certain time beekeepers can have their colonies up to full strength at first bloom of the crop they are going to pollinate. The supers (that's where bees store honey) that have honey made from corn syrup are removed when the crop blooms (honey made from corn syrup is not supposed to be marketed) empty supers are added throuout the blooming season. Then the supers containing the good honey are harvested and the supers with the corn syrup honey are put back on for the bee's to eat during "nonbloom" times.
This kind of simplifies it but you get the idea.

guest · Post by **guest** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:18 pm

I'm in interrior Alaska not a good place to find beekeeping supplies. Shipping rates are orbital. I'll just keep lookin. I'm gonna see if Cargill has any distributors up here.

possum · Post by **possum** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:42 am

Well said DBM... we always used sugar water to amp up our bees, but it was a 3-6 hive operation.

possum · Post by **possum** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:42 am

Tried an "old fashoned barrel" brand @10 lbs corn sugar to feed my sour mash, and it is working nicely. However, the retail price was a little more than the equivilant calories of cane sugar. We'll soon see how the flavor is affected.

Mr Clean · Post by **Mr Clean** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:22 pm

anyone ever try this HFCS55 with any luck, anyone ever find supplier?

plaztikjezuz · Post by **plaztikjezuz** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:46 pm

guest wrote:I'm in interrior Alaska not a good place to find beekeeping supplies. Shipping rates are orbital. I'll just keep lookin. I'm gonna see if Cargill has any distributors up here.

try brewing supply shops or breweries.
high maltose corn syrup is used in brewing and is not to expensive.

beekeepers use HFCS to feed the bees in the dry spells.
from what i have read, it makes the bees unhealthy, so i do not use it. i stick to straight sugar beet or cane.

NewGuy · Post by **NewGuy** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:13 pm

Hey All,
What are you going for when using corn syrup or high fructose corn syrup? Are you making a nuetral, or since it is CORN syrup, are you making a whiskey?

I've done alot of molasses washes for rum, but have been reading around on other recipes.

Thanks-

Post by **Dnderhead** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:53 pm

its a sugar ,no flavor to speak of so a neutral.

elctrohomebrwer · Post by **elctrohomebrwer** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:57 am

Guest wrote:
theholymackerel wrote:Howdy guest.

What do bee keepers use it for?

as a beekeeper i can tell you that we use hfcs to feed the bees during the winter and spring months when the flowers are not in bloom. the big beekeepers use it to sell "package" bees and put a can of syrup into a box with the bees to keep them till they get to wherever they are going.

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