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Condenser coil

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Hi Guys,
First up a huge thanks for all the good info you guys are willing to pass on. It helps us newby distillers no end.
My next problem is making my condenser coil. I have been researching the forums and have determined that many get into heaps of trouble tryingto coil the copper tubing. I am about to buy my tubing tomorrow and was intending to get 5/16". How do I coil it to go in a 2" tube without kinking it? Would I be better off going for 1/4" tube. I was concerned about the volume flow. I am looking at about 5 mtrs of tubing, would this be about right?

Just as an aside, I scored two 19Lt s/s stock pots today for AUD$10 each coz they had slightly damaged lids (Oh diddums!). I will take them to my friendly metal basher to cut a hole in one and weld a collar to it and then weld the two together. Voila!- a 38Lt boiler. :D

Cheers,
OldStormy
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Post by jbrew9999 »

Lots of people do fine with 1/4" OD tubing. There are lots of long instructions for coiling Cu. Go slowly. It's okay if it flattens out quite a bit-- you just don't want it to kink.
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Post by golden pond »

To keep from kinking it, wind it around a proper size mandrel and when you get the length desired, just slide it off the mandrel.
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Post by golden pond »

If you want to use the 1/4" tubing a mandrel diameter of 1.375 would be about right, if you use the 5/16" tubing a 1.250 is about right, both these figures will allow you a little clearance to go in your 2.000 tube.
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Post by possum »

If you thread an appropriate sized string or very light rope into the tube, it is less prone to get kinked....with 5 meters, that may be difficult though.

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Post by TRANSPLANTED HILLBILLY »

Nice tip possum, I always used snug fitting spring on the outside for tight bends and the mandrel method, as GP suggested, for multiple coils.

You might be able to tye your rope/ string to a stiff wire of some sort to fish it through. I like the thought.
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Re: Condenser coil

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[quote="OldStormy"]Hi Guys,
First up a huge thanks for all the good info you guys are willing to pass on. It helps us newby distillers no end.
My next problem is making my condenser coil. I have been researching the forums and have determined that many get into heaps of trouble tryingto coil the copper tubing. I am about to buy my tubing tomorrow and was intending to get 5/16". How do I coil it to go in a 2" tube without kinking it? Would I be better off going for 1/4" tube. I was concerned about the volume flow. I am looking at about 5 mtrs of tubing, would this be about right?

Just as an aside, I scored two 19Lt s/s stock pots today for AUD$10 each coz they had slightly damaged lids (Oh diddums!). I will take them to my friendly metal basher to cut a hole in one and weld a collar to it and then weld the two together. Voila!- a 38Lt boiler. :D

Cheers,
Here is another picture of my coil and the condenser that I placed it in. you can see that I pulled it apart a little bit so that the vapors could flow around it. Let me know if I can be of any help.--------------------------------Image
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Re: Condenser coil

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[quote="OldStormy"]Hi Guys,
First up a huge thanks for all the good info you guys are willing to pass on. It helps us newby distillers no end.
My next problem is making my condenser coil. I have been researching the forums and have determined that many get into heaps of trouble tryingto coil the copper tubing. I am about to buy my tubing tomorrow and was intending to get 5/16". How do I coil it to go in a 2" tube without kinking it? Would I be better off going for 1/4" tube. I was concerned about the volume flow. I am looking at about 5 mtrs of tubing, would this be about right?

Just as an aside, I scored two 19Lt s/s stock pots today for AUD$10 each coz they had slightly damaged lids (Oh diddums!). I will take them to my friendly metal basher to cut a hole in one and weld a collar to it and then weld the two together. Voila!- a 38Lt boiler. :D

Cheers,
Image Ok, here it is some what assembled.
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Re: Condenser coil

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[quote="OldStormy"]Hi Guys,
First up a huge thanks for all the good info you guys are willing to pass on. It helps us newby distillers no end.
My next problem is making my condenser coil. I have been researching the forums and have determined that many get into heaps of trouble tryingto coil the copper tubing. I am about to buy my tubing tomorrow and was intending to get 5/16". How do I coil it to go in a 2" tube without kinking it? Would I be better off going for 1/4" tube. I was concerned about the volume flow. I am looking at about 5 mtrs of tubing, would this be about right?

Just as an aside, I scored two 19Lt s/s stock pots today for AUD$10 each coz they had slightly damaged lids (Oh diddums!). I will take them to my friendly metal basher to cut a hole in one and weld a collar to it and then weld the two together. Voila!- a 38Lt boiler. :D

Cheers,
Image Ok, here is the coil I made, before I pulled it apart a little so vapors could get around it. This is 20' of 1/4" copper tubing, I raped it around a 2" copper pipe.
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Post by Eth&All »

I've never been able to find detailed instructions on how to wind a coil. Might have overlooked it someplace but here's my recipe. No problem to make double-helix coil that fits easily into a 2" I.D. column - wound without any filler of any kind using 1/4" refrigeration tubing (0.030" wall thickness) and a piece of 3/4" PVC pipe as mandrel.

Instructions:
Wear thin leather gloves or you won't be able grasp it very well nor exert enough strength to roll the coil. Plus you'll get major blisters without gloves. Remember - the FIRST turn of the coil is the most difficult; the rest still require you to exhert a steady hard pull so you'll have to do small sections at a time.

1. Starting with the coil of tubing in floor in front of you and about 5' straightened out toward you . With mandrel across your lap - grasp the end of the tubing and hold about a foot to overlap the mandrel and at right angles to the mandrel (toward your crotch).
2. Hold the one-foot portion with your right hand (if RH) , left hand on the other side of the mandrel (away from you). Now pull in both (opposing) directions with all your might (as if you're trying to pull it in two!) and slowly-slowly just start to bend each side down and around the mandrel. Do NOT try to go over one-fourth or even one-fifth of the way around with this behemoth effort that you almost black out doing! 'Become one' with it and try to bend it like Uri Geller does spoons :D

3. Now that it is only slightly bent around the mandrel, stop and rest. Now repeat the above & take it to being nearly a third way around. Never stop pulling with all your strength. Rest again and repeat till it's over half way.

4. Now turn the whole thing over so the short end is sticking up in the air, switch hands and finish one revolution. I don't have to tell you to never stop pulling till you hallucinate!

5. Okay you're around but it's hard to hold onto for the next turn. Stand up, stretch your left leg way out with bent knee. Hold the mandrel with left hand on top of your knee and pull the other (long) end with right hand. You'll have to tighten the one turn up with only your left thumb since there's only one turn. At this stage you're using super wrist power to twist the mandrel while pulling your guts out with right hand.

6. Now 2 turns. Whew! Keep doing the same, only now you've *almost* enought to grasp the mandrel & coil with your left thumb and first two fingers wrapped around it. Your wrist will die and you'll be popping sweat beads! MUST maintain strong tension until you finish the coil or pass out first.

7. Remember to keep the turns fairly close, but not necessarily touching. Just don't get carried away. Make it as long as you need for this first layer then stop and take your time to study the return back up. Just keep pulling with right hand while rolling it on with twisting left wrist. Adust the return first coil nice and neat before going on to the second turn. Once this is done, you're home free to wrap it tightly over the first layer. The outer turns don't require near as much horsepower.

8. You made it back to the top (nearly dead by now, but happy). Now carefully wind on the the very last turn so that the two legs are parallel and cut it off to match the beginning leg. Fishished, and nice! Only very, very slight flattening; can't really even see any truthfully.

There may be easier ways and maybe this will inspire someone to post easier method. If you use salt as some suggest, then go right now and buy a $2 'waterhose-to-1/4" tubing' connector gizmo at Lowe's/Home Depot so that you can hook it to a waterhose when you're finished. Then wait for half hour or more (maybe much more) till it eventually blows out the salt. Trust me on this. You don't need salt.

Good luck,

Eth&All
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The Coil

Post by OldStormy »

Hi All,
Again, thanks for all the input here and by messages. Fantastic. I have now bought all my bits and pieces including 1/4" tube so I am now locked in on an Offset Head still. I will keep a photographic record of progress that may or may not assist others coming behind me.
Cheers,
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Post by Uncle Remus »

Nice workmanship OS. Your reflux column looks a lot like mine. Is your condensor coil removable? I made mine with the cooling water input and output coming out the top of the chamber so I can just pull it out for cleaning purposes. I also used 3/8" tubing and made it smaller maybe 12 wraps outside and 10 inside. Anyway looks good I'm sure you will be pleased with it once your up and running.
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Post by pothead »

Nice work WB!

I don't know from experience, But I have heard that A double helix coil would do a bit better of a job, and it would make it easier for both the inlet and output to be at the top for easy removal (for cleaning/storage/etc) like Uncle Remus said. But nevertheless, great work.
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Post by Workerbee47 »

pothead wrote:Nice work WB!

I don't know from experience, But I have heard that A double helix coil would do a bit better of a job, and it would make it easier for both the inlet and output to be at the top for easy removal (for cleaning/storage/etc) like Uncle Remus said. But nevertheless, great work.
Yes, I do not know eather, but my condenser is not soldered to the 3" reducer, it just sits in there, I could take the hole condenser off and place it in my dish washer if I want.
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Post by Harry ballsonya »

i have made a few coils with 3/8 soft copper,here is an easy way :

uncoil the copper relatively straight
pound one end so it seals
get a small funnel or make one with paper
pour refined table salt into the tube untill the pipe is full of salt
you might have to jiggle the salt down a bit and put more in
when the pipe is full of salt pinch the end closed
you can now coil it as many turns as you like with out it collapsing or kinking (the salt keeps it solid)
cut the ends off and remove the salt (this can be a pain if you have alot of turns, but it will come out)
* i haven't done this with 1/4" tube but it should work
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Hmmm...interesting handle you have there Guest :roll:
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