Turbo yeast

Grid · Post by **Grid** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:16 am

As a newbie to still spirits can someone tell me if these are any good
http://stillspirits.com/wa.asp?idWebPag ... etails=101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow.
I have just brought one and was told it is the easier way to do spirits.
I see most of you guys (and girls) use the simple sugar,water,yeast mixes with good flavours ,but i was told these are good and easy for a newbie.
I have some bakers yeast wash going now (in fermenter) so will i notice the taste when i get and do this turbo yeast one?.if so what could i expect.(smother,more liquid,faster?????)

Grid.

Froggy · Post by **Froggy** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:21 am

Grid wrote:As a newbie to still spirits can someone tell me if these are any good
http://stillspirits.com/wa.asp?idWebPag ... etails=101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow.
I have just brought one and was told it is the easier way to do spirits.
I see most of you guys (and girls) use the simple sugar,water,yeast mixes with good flavours ,but i was told these are good and easy for a newbie.
I have some bakers yeast wash going now (in fermenter) so will i notice the taste when i get and do this turbo yeast one?.if so what could i expect.(smother,more liquid,faster?????)

Grid.

That link no longer works.

Dont bother with the turbo yeasts. If you dont want to bother with bakers yeast, tomato paste etc, just get some Willard's temperature tolerant yeast.

Post by **HookLine** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:28 am

Obviously opinions are divided as to value of Turbos.

My experience is that Turbos will give you a reasonable product, if you don't go for the high % they claim on the packet. Either use less sugar, or add more water and make a bigger ferment volume (ie dilute it out a bit).

Either way you should aim for a % abv of about 10-12%.

My main complaint about Turbos is their price. You can make a wash much cheaper using bakers yeast, and for nutrients use tomato paste, maybe with a little bit of bran thrown in, or just use wheat germ. There are some good recipes on the forum.

dog1976 · Post by **dog1976** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:29 am

HookLine wrote:Obviously opinions are divided as to value of Turbos.

My experience is that Turbos will give you a reasonable product, if you don't go for the high % they claim on the packet. Either use less sugar, or add more water and make a bigger ferment volume (ie dilute it out a bit).

Either way you should aim for a % abv of about 10-12%.

My main complaint about Turbos is their price. You can make a wash much cheaper using bakers yeast, and for nutrients use tomato paste, maybe with a little bit of bran thrown in, or just use wheat germ. There are some good recipes on the forum.

I use Liquor Quik™ Turbo Pure X-Press w/ AG in bulk from Mile Hi (2.2 lb) for $17.
6 1/2 gallon wash 18 lbs. sugar, 1/4 cup yeast, and 1/4 cup corn meal for good measures. I have had very good luck with this. I don't know how many washes I get out of a 2.2 lb bag, but it makes running turbo washes a lot cheeper. http://www.milehidistilling.com/product_p/83329b.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Bastardo · Post by **Bastardo** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:24 pm

I'm currently doing a turbo yeast neutral wash that is supposed to yield 21% abv. In this one the carbon is added while it ferments. Fermenting has finished but the carbon is thick, I'm waiting for it to clear/settle then I will siphon.

I'll post my results, but as others warned, the carbon removal is looking like its going to be a hassle.

wineo · Post by **wineo** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:02 pm

You will get a much cleaner product by making one of the sugar wash recipes from the forum.Keep the alc.% at 8-10%.Birdwatchers recipe or my potato water sugar wash recipe will taste much better without using carbon,and are cheap and easy to make.I used to do the turbos,and there easy but try one of the recipes on the forum.

Post by **HookLine** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:57 pm

dog1976 wrote:I use Liquor Quik™ Turbo Pure X-Press w/ AG in bulk from Mile Hi (2.2 lb) for $17.

That is damn cheap, especially w/AG.

kingearwig · Post by **kingearwig** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:12 am

I have used alcotec 24 turbo on 3 occasions. the satchels that I use are for 6.5 gal. but I only make a little less than 5. I dont have a scale so I use a hydrometer to measure the sugar I have gone up to 18%.(this took over a week) my current batch I am shooting for 17 but I think in the future I will go for more like 14%. I am pleased with the flavor but I am using what I think is a very good reflux still design. I think that I could get better flavor. But as far as speed goes alcotec 24 is GREAT. if you you go for a 11% wash it will be done in right around 24 hrs!! I think that the taste would be greatly improved if you waited another 24-48 hrs for the lees to settle out though before distillation.

belialNZ · Post by **belialNZ** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:10 am

"I have just brought one and was told it is the easier way to do spirits. "

I got told the exact same thing, and yes, it was easy.

However, the results where not what I was after. I discovered this forum after making my first turbo wash, and I am pleased to say that the information you will find here will set you on the right path.

I think with making spirits, easy isn't the answer. If you want a truly satisfying product, it takes time.

I was also told, and sold, a z-filter and carbon etc... I no longer feel the need to use such things as they only seem to help fix an initially bad distillate.

Check out the various sugar washes, UJSM, etc. in the recipes forums and you will never look back. I suspect you'll become as addicted to this hobby as I am.

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:37 am

just finishing up 2 bakers teast washes. Lord its slow. hope theres a taste diff. but i see me going back to Yeast Express

BW Redneck · Post by **BW Redneck** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:59 am

If you think that baker's yeast washes are too slow, you can always use EC-1118. It ferments faster and cleaner than most yeasts. Although, you may want to keep the baker's stuff if ya go for rum, and WD Prestige or some kind of ale yeast for grain mashes. But, baker's yeast is definitely the cheaper way to go.

Post by **HookLine** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:05 am

Homer wrote:just finishing up 2 bakers teast washes. Lord its slow. hope theres a taste diff. but i see me going back to Yeast Express

How much did you use? The only time I had one go real slow was when I only used a few grams of yeast. Now I throw in 100 grams (about $1.20 worth) for a 40 litre sugar wash, and they are always finished in about 5 days.

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:52 am

used about 35 gr in a 20 liter wash. 10 lbs of suger. i have some EC-1118 to try for the next couple washes. i'm runner a reflux , as you can tell. do all my flavoring afterward.

Post by **Husker** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:07 am

Homer wrote:used about 35 gr in a 20 liter wash. 10 lbs of suger. i have some EC-1118 to try for the next couple washes. i'm runner a reflux , as you can tell. do all my flavoring afterward.

If you just dumped in sugar, water and bakers yeast, then you will get a VERY slow ferment.

There are no nutrients in a simple sugar water wash. You will have to ADD them to the wash to get it to ferment right. In the packet of turbo yeast, about 1/2 of the volume is in Ph buffers and yeast nutrients.

Using things like tomato paste, wheat germ, etc, or even liquid human vitamins, killed boiled yeast, DAP are the types of things needed to ferment properly. Go to the main parent site (http://homedistiller.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow), and look under the "preparing wash" / "Sugar Based" menu. There is lots of info about what is needed to get a good sugar ferment.

One thing about the turbos that is good for a newbie, is that the one pack contains pretty much everything (yeast and nutrients), thus, you simply provide water and sugar. Like others have mentioned, if you use turbos, and target 11-12%, then you will end up with some pretty decent results, without the fuss of other things being needed to be added. However, using turbos also keeps you from learning more, and advancing into better recipes.

H.

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:14 am

forgot to add the tomato paste to my list. i do have it in there. and the suger was stirred and mixed in hot water, paste added at this time also. set for a day to cool, then added yeast.

Post by **Dnderhead** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:31 am

using tubos is much like using boxed cake mix, you get a cake
but it's not as good as home made experiment with different
washes and see what you like

Post by **HookLine** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:33 am

Husker wrote:However, using turbos also keeps you from learning more, and advancing into better recipes.

H.

That is a good point, H. Although, as I said in our original discussion about this, not everyone wants to (or can) go all the way into it. Some are quite happy just to make a bit of neutral without the fuss. Which is fine. The more the merrier I say. We don't all have to be grand master distillers.

kingearwig · Post by **kingearwig** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:31 pm

So.... I love rum. vodka more but rum is great. can a guy get bakers yeast to put out 10 11 % in anywhere close to 24hrs...

Post by **Dnderhead** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:47 pm

No more like 3 -7 days

Post by **HookLine** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:41 pm

Yup, my 10% bakers yeast ferments take around 5 days to completely finish fermenting

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