So far so good, i'll get more pics as the process goes but here is one of the corn before doing anything to it.
blue corn
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blue corn
Got a bushel of blue corn given to me last weekend, so i thought i would try to malt it.
So far so good, i'll get more pics as the process goes but here is one of the corn before doing anything to it.
So far so good, i'll get more pics as the process goes but here is one of the corn before doing anything to it.
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Re: blue corn
I'm keen to know how this work out... I always look at blue corn chips at the supermarket and sort of want to try them - they cost a butt-load more than normal ones, so I really can't be stuffed. I understand blue corn is expensive - so presumably it's tasty... Take lots of pics if you can be stuffed... This is one of the more interesting experiments I've heard of... to me at least lol.
Good luck
Good luck
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Blue corn is expensive because it does not produce as much per acre as other corn.and not as dependable
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yeah, I knew it would be something like that... the thing is, though it must taste good or something, otherwise I wouldn't see blue corn chips in the supermarket - if they didn't taste good they wouldn't sell any at that price (and the price has to be high because of low production)
that's my logic at least
I'm probably over thinking it, like everything else
that's my logic at least
I'm probably over thinking it, like everything else
Re: blue corn
Alot of folks would argue that a Mac is wayyy better than PC but PC is way more common in home and office, why? Marketing. People now a days see something different from the rest of the yellow corn chips and think, "Hey, I've never seen this before over at So and SO's house so it must be fancy". It plays on the whole envy part of Human nature, IMO. Same reason folks pay $1,000 for the latest video game console or I phone as soon as it hits the shelves or Ebay instead of just waiting to get it at the normal market price.
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Re: blue corn
very true trthskr4, kinda funny that i happen to be posting this from a mac as well 
I have no clue how this corn tastes or really why a farmer would bother with growing it, but the price was right.
Here is a pic from this afternoon when i drained the bucket and spread them in my pan. They are germinating quite nicely and i have to dig real hard to find one that aint germinated.
I have no clue how this corn tastes or really why a farmer would bother with growing it, but the price was right.
Here is a pic from this afternoon when i drained the bucket and spread them in my pan. They are germinating quite nicely and i have to dig real hard to find one that aint germinated.
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Re: blue corn
How are you planning on drying them DK?
Re: blue corn
HISTORY
Maize, has been closely associated with the culture and life of the Southwestern American Indian. This paper focuses on a maize of the Hopi Indian, one of the most adaptive of the American Indian tribes. Their culture has been predominantly agricultural throughout their long history in the arid southwest and they have established a reputation as superior dryland farmers (Carter and Anderson 1945). The conservation of their farms is reflected in their crop plants--most notably in their maize. Maize is utilized in ritual as well as a food source. The use of maize in the rituals appears to have preserved these ancient cultivars. Foreign cultures have impacted the Hopi just as they have other cultures in this region. Many of the cultivars of maize grown a century ago by the Hopi are now believed to be extinct while others show an introgression of genes from other maize populations. The number of blue corn races is unknown at this time.
MODERN EVALUATIONS OF BLUE CORN
Blue corn planted in non-irrigated conditions has yielded 1,020 to 3,360 kg/ha with market prices of approximately $0.33 to $0.35/kg paid during the last two years. Hybrid development is ongoing, but open pollinated cultivars are currently the only material available for commercial use.
These maize populations have not been utilized to a great extent in major maize improvement programs and are of value not only historically, but also as germplasm pools for future evaluation. We know that maize landraces are uniquely variable not only from region to region but also from cultivar to cultivar and from plant to plant. For geneticists, such populations provide a stockpile of genes that have rarely been sampled or studied. If these various strains are not preserved, it is inevitable that many of them will be lost to introgression. Furthermore, the germplasm of drought tolerance may reside in the southwestern Indian maizes and this material has not yet been utilized extensively in United States maize improvement programs.
Five Hopi blue flour maize populations were compared to similar populations described in the 1950s by Brown et al. (1952). Two landraces of Southwestern flour maize were obtained from the Talavaya Center (Espanola, New Mexico) and two landraces identified by Krumpacker were provided by Robin Cuany, both from Colorado State University. These maize races had been obtained from local American Indian farmers (New Mexico) and from Hispanic farmers (Colorado). A fifth population was obtained from the Talavaya Center and was identified as "Hopi blue corn." To avoid confusion, this population was referred to as "Hopi blue corn" with other populations having the designation of New Mexico and Colorado blue corn. Variances and covariances between the races of maize indicate significant differences for the traits studied and that these populations do not appear to have a common origin (Table 1). Plant height varied from 1.00 to 1.35 m for both New Mexico and Colorado populations. The Hopi blue corn population differed significantly from the other populations and reached a plant height of 1.8 to 2.4 m. Tillering was observed with eight to ten tillers per plant in the New Mexico and Colorado populations while two to three tillers were seen in the blue corn 1 population. A typical population of New Mexico blue corn is described in Table 2.
The number of rows per ear varied within each New Mexico and Colorado population from 8 to 16 and average 12.3 populations. Row number ranged from 10 to 18 in the Hopi blue corn (Fig. 2). This character is similar to those previously reported by Brown and Anderson (1947). The characteristic 14 row trait noted in Hopi corn was observed in all races but lacked the apparent preponderance noted by Brown et al. (1952). Ear characteristics such as yield, ear length, cob diameter, kernel thickness, and kernel weight are similar to the Hopi corns previously reported. The differences from prior research (Brown and Anderson 1947) were primarily noted to be in the greater width and reduced length of the kernels, greater ear length, reduced number of rows, greater internode length, greater tillering, and a narrowing of the leaf blades. Many of the phenotypic traits observed differed greatly from those of the Mexican dent corns and the Basketmaker corns. We anticipated that these races might have affected introgression into the Hopi corn populations.
In the Colorado and New Mexico populations, ear length and kernel yield were positively correlated in both the New Mexico (r = 0.73) and Colorado (r = 0.76) cultivars. A significant correlation between kernel thickness and cob diameter was observed in all populations. These values when compared to those reported by Brown et al. (1952) were similar to the Hopi corns of the early 1950s with one exception: Brown et al. (1952) showed that blue and white flour corn had a negative correlation between kernel width and kernel thickness. This was not been observed in the Colorado study. Positive correlations for these traits to the purple corn were, however, observed in the study. Path analysis of the five corn populations indicates kernel weight, width of kernel, and thickness of kernel are the most important components of yield in these races of blue corn and each had a positive direct influence on yield.
The Hopi corn ear possesses several characteristics not generally found in more common corn. The most conspicuous is the width of the ear at the shank end which averaged 18.5 mm in these landraces. Several traits showed significant to highly significant differences between the landraces (Table 1). These results are very similar to that of other Hopi corn races as reported by (Brown et al. 1952).
PRODUCTION PRACTICES
Production practices of blue corn will require modification of those used on conventional yellow dent corn. The seed is planted 4 to 6 mm deep in good moisture at the rate of 20 to 30 kg/ha in dryland (425 mm precipitation) environments. This will provide a final stand of 30,000 to 45,000 plants/ha. Under dryland conditions, seed must be planted into soil moisture. If high production levels are attempted using conventional high soil fertility and additional irrigation water management techniques, severe lodging may be expected. To keep plant height to a minimum, it is advantageous to stress the plants both with low soil nutrition and water until the 12 leaf stage. If irrigated prior to that time, farm experience shows burial of the culm to the last emerged leaf to be effective in reducing lodging and for weed control. All blue corn is open pollinated, therefore uniform field growth, plant size, maturity, and resistance to insect diseases that we experience with hybrid corn should not be expected.
To keep blue corn quality high and prevent cross-pollination of other types, it is recommended to maintain minimum isolation distances of 230 m from other types of corn for seed production. If minimum distances are not adhered to, F1 seed will be blue as the blue color is dominant. Subsequent crosses may show color segregation as well as endosperm variation. Some color variation is normal in currently available cultivars.
INSECTS AND DISEASES
Western corn rootworms may be a problem on fields where corn follows corn in the rotation on hardland soils. Blue corn planted on fallow, following crops other than corn or that planted on sandy soil should escape attack by the Western corn rootworm (Diabrotica virgifera LeConte). Current cultivars of blue corn are very susceptible to European Corn Borer (Ostrinia nubilalis Hubner). In 1991, interplanting rows of amaranth with blue corn in Rocky Ford, Colorado reduced borer damage in the blue corn when compared to borer damage of surrounding dent corn. Stalk rot, (Fusarium spp.) a disease of the lower stalk may cause severe lodging. Lodging may be controlled to some degree by keeping plant height to a minimum or by burial.
As blue corn advances in maturity, the kernels will be white until the drydown period. At this time, the blue color appears and darkens as drydown progresses. Harvest should begin when the grain moisture reaches 18% and should progress rapidly. As kernel moisture declines, lodging increases depending on plant height, amount of stalk rot present, and the incidence of wind. Combine cylinder speeds must be reduced with special efforts to minimize seed cracking. Seedcoat cracking interferes with its removal during processing. Combined grain should be dried with aeration to less than 13% prior to shipping. Commercial operations use popcorn cleaners and baggers for their crops.
Buyers generally require delivered clean grain that is free of disease, insect, and foreign matter. Cracked and broken grain is objectionable and a 5% tolerance is allowed for total defects.
REFERENCES
* Brown, W.L. and E. Anderson. 1947. The Northern flint corns. Ann. Missouri Bot. Gard. 34:1-28.
* Brown, W.L., E.G. Anderson, and R. Tuchaweng, Jr. 1952. Observation on three varieties of Hopi Maize. Amer. J. Bot. 39:597-609.
* Carter, G.F. and E. Anderson. 1945. A preliminary survey of maize in the southwestern United States. Ann. Mo. Bot. Gard. 32:297-322.
* Johnson, D.L. and R.L. Croissant. 1990. Alternate crop production and marketing in Colorado. Colorado Expt. Sta. Coop. Ext. Serv. and Dept. of Agron. Tech. Bul. LBT 90-3.
Table 1. Analysis of racial variances in New Mexico and Colorado Hopi flour corns for eight traits.
Variable MS F P
Kernel yield (g) 16585 25.1 0.000 ***
Shank diameter (cm) 164 0.9 0.349 NS
Ear length (cm) 15307 10.9 0.001 **
Cob diameter (cm) 168 10.1 0.002 **
Kernel width (mm) 1 3.8 3.860 NS
Kernel thickness (mm) 5.6 7.7 0.006 **
Row number 3 1.3 0.289 NS
Kernel weight (gm) 602 43.3 0.000 ***
Probabilities are reported as ***(P = 0.001)
Table 2. Description of a New Mexico Hopi corn population grown in Colorado.
Variable Mean SD Min. value Max. value
Kernel yield (g) 53.6 17.6 32.0 98.0
Shank diameter (cm) 7.4 0.3 1.0 2.6
Ear length (cm) 15.2 3.3 9.0 21.0
Cob diameter (cm) 2.9 0.4 2.2 3.8
Kernel width (mm) 6.7 0.7 5.0 8.0
Kernel thickness (mm) 4.2 2.7 3.7 4.8
Row number 12.2 1.6 8.0 16.0
Kernel weight (gm) 19.1 3.3 10.5 28.9
Fig. 1. Blue corn sales by one United States company.
Fig. 2. Row number and ear length of Hopi blue corn populations. Last update September 10, 1997 aw
Maize, has been closely associated with the culture and life of the Southwestern American Indian. This paper focuses on a maize of the Hopi Indian, one of the most adaptive of the American Indian tribes. Their culture has been predominantly agricultural throughout their long history in the arid southwest and they have established a reputation as superior dryland farmers (Carter and Anderson 1945). The conservation of their farms is reflected in their crop plants--most notably in their maize. Maize is utilized in ritual as well as a food source. The use of maize in the rituals appears to have preserved these ancient cultivars. Foreign cultures have impacted the Hopi just as they have other cultures in this region. Many of the cultivars of maize grown a century ago by the Hopi are now believed to be extinct while others show an introgression of genes from other maize populations. The number of blue corn races is unknown at this time.
MODERN EVALUATIONS OF BLUE CORN
Blue corn planted in non-irrigated conditions has yielded 1,020 to 3,360 kg/ha with market prices of approximately $0.33 to $0.35/kg paid during the last two years. Hybrid development is ongoing, but open pollinated cultivars are currently the only material available for commercial use.
These maize populations have not been utilized to a great extent in major maize improvement programs and are of value not only historically, but also as germplasm pools for future evaluation. We know that maize landraces are uniquely variable not only from region to region but also from cultivar to cultivar and from plant to plant. For geneticists, such populations provide a stockpile of genes that have rarely been sampled or studied. If these various strains are not preserved, it is inevitable that many of them will be lost to introgression. Furthermore, the germplasm of drought tolerance may reside in the southwestern Indian maizes and this material has not yet been utilized extensively in United States maize improvement programs.
Five Hopi blue flour maize populations were compared to similar populations described in the 1950s by Brown et al. (1952). Two landraces of Southwestern flour maize were obtained from the Talavaya Center (Espanola, New Mexico) and two landraces identified by Krumpacker were provided by Robin Cuany, both from Colorado State University. These maize races had been obtained from local American Indian farmers (New Mexico) and from Hispanic farmers (Colorado). A fifth population was obtained from the Talavaya Center and was identified as "Hopi blue corn." To avoid confusion, this population was referred to as "Hopi blue corn" with other populations having the designation of New Mexico and Colorado blue corn. Variances and covariances between the races of maize indicate significant differences for the traits studied and that these populations do not appear to have a common origin (Table 1). Plant height varied from 1.00 to 1.35 m for both New Mexico and Colorado populations. The Hopi blue corn population differed significantly from the other populations and reached a plant height of 1.8 to 2.4 m. Tillering was observed with eight to ten tillers per plant in the New Mexico and Colorado populations while two to three tillers were seen in the blue corn 1 population. A typical population of New Mexico blue corn is described in Table 2.
The number of rows per ear varied within each New Mexico and Colorado population from 8 to 16 and average 12.3 populations. Row number ranged from 10 to 18 in the Hopi blue corn (Fig. 2). This character is similar to those previously reported by Brown and Anderson (1947). The characteristic 14 row trait noted in Hopi corn was observed in all races but lacked the apparent preponderance noted by Brown et al. (1952). Ear characteristics such as yield, ear length, cob diameter, kernel thickness, and kernel weight are similar to the Hopi corns previously reported. The differences from prior research (Brown and Anderson 1947) were primarily noted to be in the greater width and reduced length of the kernels, greater ear length, reduced number of rows, greater internode length, greater tillering, and a narrowing of the leaf blades. Many of the phenotypic traits observed differed greatly from those of the Mexican dent corns and the Basketmaker corns. We anticipated that these races might have affected introgression into the Hopi corn populations.
In the Colorado and New Mexico populations, ear length and kernel yield were positively correlated in both the New Mexico (r = 0.73) and Colorado (r = 0.76) cultivars. A significant correlation between kernel thickness and cob diameter was observed in all populations. These values when compared to those reported by Brown et al. (1952) were similar to the Hopi corns of the early 1950s with one exception: Brown et al. (1952) showed that blue and white flour corn had a negative correlation between kernel width and kernel thickness. This was not been observed in the Colorado study. Positive correlations for these traits to the purple corn were, however, observed in the study. Path analysis of the five corn populations indicates kernel weight, width of kernel, and thickness of kernel are the most important components of yield in these races of blue corn and each had a positive direct influence on yield.
The Hopi corn ear possesses several characteristics not generally found in more common corn. The most conspicuous is the width of the ear at the shank end which averaged 18.5 mm in these landraces. Several traits showed significant to highly significant differences between the landraces (Table 1). These results are very similar to that of other Hopi corn races as reported by (Brown et al. 1952).
PRODUCTION PRACTICES
Production practices of blue corn will require modification of those used on conventional yellow dent corn. The seed is planted 4 to 6 mm deep in good moisture at the rate of 20 to 30 kg/ha in dryland (425 mm precipitation) environments. This will provide a final stand of 30,000 to 45,000 plants/ha. Under dryland conditions, seed must be planted into soil moisture. If high production levels are attempted using conventional high soil fertility and additional irrigation water management techniques, severe lodging may be expected. To keep plant height to a minimum, it is advantageous to stress the plants both with low soil nutrition and water until the 12 leaf stage. If irrigated prior to that time, farm experience shows burial of the culm to the last emerged leaf to be effective in reducing lodging and for weed control. All blue corn is open pollinated, therefore uniform field growth, plant size, maturity, and resistance to insect diseases that we experience with hybrid corn should not be expected.
To keep blue corn quality high and prevent cross-pollination of other types, it is recommended to maintain minimum isolation distances of 230 m from other types of corn for seed production. If minimum distances are not adhered to, F1 seed will be blue as the blue color is dominant. Subsequent crosses may show color segregation as well as endosperm variation. Some color variation is normal in currently available cultivars.
INSECTS AND DISEASES
Western corn rootworms may be a problem on fields where corn follows corn in the rotation on hardland soils. Blue corn planted on fallow, following crops other than corn or that planted on sandy soil should escape attack by the Western corn rootworm (Diabrotica virgifera LeConte). Current cultivars of blue corn are very susceptible to European Corn Borer (Ostrinia nubilalis Hubner). In 1991, interplanting rows of amaranth with blue corn in Rocky Ford, Colorado reduced borer damage in the blue corn when compared to borer damage of surrounding dent corn. Stalk rot, (Fusarium spp.) a disease of the lower stalk may cause severe lodging. Lodging may be controlled to some degree by keeping plant height to a minimum or by burial.
As blue corn advances in maturity, the kernels will be white until the drydown period. At this time, the blue color appears and darkens as drydown progresses. Harvest should begin when the grain moisture reaches 18% and should progress rapidly. As kernel moisture declines, lodging increases depending on plant height, amount of stalk rot present, and the incidence of wind. Combine cylinder speeds must be reduced with special efforts to minimize seed cracking. Seedcoat cracking interferes with its removal during processing. Combined grain should be dried with aeration to less than 13% prior to shipping. Commercial operations use popcorn cleaners and baggers for their crops.
Buyers generally require delivered clean grain that is free of disease, insect, and foreign matter. Cracked and broken grain is objectionable and a 5% tolerance is allowed for total defects.
REFERENCES
* Brown, W.L. and E. Anderson. 1947. The Northern flint corns. Ann. Missouri Bot. Gard. 34:1-28.
* Brown, W.L., E.G. Anderson, and R. Tuchaweng, Jr. 1952. Observation on three varieties of Hopi Maize. Amer. J. Bot. 39:597-609.
* Carter, G.F. and E. Anderson. 1945. A preliminary survey of maize in the southwestern United States. Ann. Mo. Bot. Gard. 32:297-322.
* Johnson, D.L. and R.L. Croissant. 1990. Alternate crop production and marketing in Colorado. Colorado Expt. Sta. Coop. Ext. Serv. and Dept. of Agron. Tech. Bul. LBT 90-3.
Table 1. Analysis of racial variances in New Mexico and Colorado Hopi flour corns for eight traits.
Variable MS F P
Kernel yield (g) 16585 25.1 0.000 ***
Shank diameter (cm) 164 0.9 0.349 NS
Ear length (cm) 15307 10.9 0.001 **
Cob diameter (cm) 168 10.1 0.002 **
Kernel width (mm) 1 3.8 3.860 NS
Kernel thickness (mm) 5.6 7.7 0.006 **
Row number 3 1.3 0.289 NS
Kernel weight (gm) 602 43.3 0.000 ***
Probabilities are reported as ***(P = 0.001)
Table 2. Description of a New Mexico Hopi corn population grown in Colorado.
Variable Mean SD Min. value Max. value
Kernel yield (g) 53.6 17.6 32.0 98.0
Shank diameter (cm) 7.4 0.3 1.0 2.6
Ear length (cm) 15.2 3.3 9.0 21.0
Cob diameter (cm) 2.9 0.4 2.2 3.8
Kernel width (mm) 6.7 0.7 5.0 8.0
Kernel thickness (mm) 4.2 2.7 3.7 4.8
Row number 12.2 1.6 8.0 16.0
Kernel weight (gm) 19.1 3.3 10.5 28.9
Fig. 1. Blue corn sales by one United States company.
Fig. 2. Row number and ear length of Hopi blue corn populations. Last update September 10, 1997 aw
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Re: blue corn
i had initially planned on putting them in a smoker, but after reading more i am left to believe that if i am going to use them immediately, then there is no need for drying. So they are going to be stripped of their roots and acrospires and placed right in the grain mill.punkin wrote:How are you planning on drying them DK?
Am not planning on adding enzymes so i can see how well i do the conversion and see what sg i can get out if it as a baseline for future batches.
i started with exactly 10 lbs of dried kernels (dried to current market standards, so around 13% i believe, could be wrong though. dried to whatever allows it to be sold to the elevator) and i'm gonna weigh them before i mill them too, just out of curiosity.
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Re: blue corn
Wow tater, thanks for the info.
if you didn't include the bibliography, i may have called bullshit
if you didn't include the bibliography, i may have called bullshit
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Re: blue corn
You'll get less ethanol but from what I hear "Indian corn" makes great hooch.
You don't need to dehydrate or dry it out. You can do the equivalent of wet milling it instead.
You don't need to dehydrate or dry it out. You can do the equivalent of wet milling it instead.
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Re: blue corn
Thank you Uncle Jesse, wet milling sounds like the way to go. less effort to mill and little to no water loss due to the corn absorbing it as it is already fully waterlogged.
My report and how the hooch tastes seems to have been postponed by another week as round one of corn malting goes to the corn
i have to assume too much moisture. 2 days ago i was draining the corn and noticed an odor i haven't smelled in years. If you have ever been tasked with cleaning out the bottom of a grain leg, you know the odor. pure rotten corn.
i let it sit out for the day anyway hoping this was just part of the batch. it was not. no growth at all that day.
Time to clean and sanitize my containers and go for round 2.
My report and how the hooch tastes seems to have been postponed by another week as round one of corn malting goes to the corn
i have to assume too much moisture. 2 days ago i was draining the corn and noticed an odor i haven't smelled in years. If you have ever been tasked with cleaning out the bottom of a grain leg, you know the odor. pure rotten corn.
i let it sit out for the day anyway hoping this was just part of the batch. it was not. no growth at all that day.
Time to clean and sanitize my containers and go for round 2.
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Re: blue corn
I'm sure that smell is why I've heard to malt corn at 60-65*F. Probablt keeps that smell, probably a bacteria, down.
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Re: blue corn
round here aint seen indian corn all one coler.
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Re: blue corn
That's because it is flour corn and not Indian (flint) corn. Much higher starch content than dent or flint. This stuff is great for making beer. I follow some directions from some west coast brewers about 10 years ago. Great stuff called Chicha.
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Re: blue corn
I've seen indian corn that was all one color, and was multi-colored, with rows, and with no rows, tiny as a little finger, or as big as any of the standard hybreds.
I've seen indian corn that was red white and blue. I've seen Hopi blue corn that was almost black. I've seen a full grown indian corn stalk that was only 3 foot tall yet yet fatter than a cane, and when ya saw how many bean plants were hangin' off it you'd understand why. I've seen indian corn that was pastel shades of pink, orange, yellow, and red. I've seen tiny foot and a half and two foot tall indian corn plants with three inch ears that were growin' right outta a sandy stream bed.
Indian corn is freakin' awsome.
I've seen indian corn that was red white and blue. I've seen Hopi blue corn that was almost black. I've seen a full grown indian corn stalk that was only 3 foot tall yet yet fatter than a cane, and when ya saw how many bean plants were hangin' off it you'd understand why. I've seen indian corn that was pastel shades of pink, orange, yellow, and red. I've seen tiny foot and a half and two foot tall indian corn plants with three inch ears that were growin' right outta a sandy stream bed.
Indian corn is freakin' awsome.
Re: blue corn
Indian corn is all different colors - by selecting only those colors you want and replanting them you can have whatever color you want
( if you only plant red kernels after a number of generations you will have only red corn etc ) (selective breeding) northern US, yellow-- southern, white-southwest,blue . I have also seen corn grow on top
where the tassel is, that I thank must be some sort of throw back to the grass that it came from?
( if you only plant red kernels after a number of generations you will have only red corn etc ) (selective breeding) northern US, yellow-- southern, white-southwest,blue . I have also seen corn grow on top
where the tassel is, that I thank must be some sort of throw back to the grass that it came from?
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Re: blue corn
it's been a while, but i finally got back around to the blue corn.
Instead of mashing the corn(that didnt work so well), i figured i would use some malted barley to convert as i know how to do that for the most part.
It went pretty smooth with the biggest differences being the colors. After cracking the corn and adding it to boiling water, the water turned a deep purple. Temp was at 160, added 2 pounds of malted barley (yes, it was roller milled). covered and let sit.
I dont think i got a good conversion. Poured the pot into a bucket with holes and lined with a sparging bag to let drain into another bucket, topped it up to 6 gallons, and was at 1.035 on hydrometer. I havent looked up what conversion that is as it wont make much difference cuz i'm gonna run it anyway.
Now that i have it in my fermenter, it is a strong red color. Smells like corn but looks like watered down tomato juice with corn in it
I'll try to get a pic of it tonight.
Instead of mashing the corn(that didnt work so well), i figured i would use some malted barley to convert as i know how to do that for the most part.
It went pretty smooth with the biggest differences being the colors. After cracking the corn and adding it to boiling water, the water turned a deep purple. Temp was at 160, added 2 pounds of malted barley (yes, it was roller milled). covered and let sit.
I dont think i got a good conversion. Poured the pot into a bucket with holes and lined with a sparging bag to let drain into another bucket, topped it up to 6 gallons, and was at 1.035 on hydrometer. I havent looked up what conversion that is as it wont make much difference cuz i'm gonna run it anyway.
Now that i have it in my fermenter, it is a strong red color. Smells like corn but looks like watered down tomato juice with corn in it
I'll try to get a pic of it tonight.
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Re: blue corn
Iam just starting to try and make corn moonshine,ive loads of fresh corn ,can any one help with an easy recipe 