My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
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My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
Well, in a fit of "wow , it's saturday and I have some spare time", I completed the packing for my column and decided to run it out and see what came up. In the end I did get some very flammable liquid, but Im not entirely happy with the results. My last good run was over 25 years ago, so Im really rusty...and I have never had exposure to reflux distilling.
My rig is a boca 1.5 inch 24 inch column with 1 foot codenser on top. The
boiler is almost 4 gallons. It has about 6 copper scrubbies in the column. Im shooting for the best nuetral I can make at this point.
So I was wondering if someone could check my logic on this?
and yes, I am going back for even more reading...
I ran water to clean it up , then some water and vinegar. Came out nice and clean. No tastes afterward but a VERY slight taste of copper.
( Good to check the still, clean it and see how it goes. Seems simple....right?)
So then I grabbed roughly three gallons of heads and tails from various experiments and proceeded to run them through. I figured they were pretty much already at 40-50 % so I just left them as is and ran them.
( I think this is where my logic breaks down. I mixed UJSM feints with nuetral feints and did not treat them with any carbonate or anything else. Just straight through.)
So I ran the column, got it to where it equalized and was stable at 172.4 , then started bleeding off spirit. The first three small samples were all very "banana mixed with acetone", then it dropped away, but I could still smell the USMJ and the Tomato wash in it. It tasted fine, but I could still smell just the faintest echo of it, when I diluted to taste, there it was, two very seperate and distinct flavors in the finish. I decided to run with it anyway and try to search some asnswers when it was done. All told it was about 2 and a half hours of dropping for nearly a gallon of nearly pure and some feints for the next time. I watched the temp rise slowly as I collected and then stopped when the distillate started to remind me of old dried mushrooms.
( Hmmmm. what the hell is that doing there? Too greedy with the cuts last time? In theory ( please dont shoot me ) they should have come out to almost nothing if they kept going. Is something wrong with the column? Is it not refluxing properly? Is this just a "learning to drive" thing? Maybe I took too much too fast? )
The odd thing. When I dropped all the feints in, they were cystal clear. After the run, when I opened the lid, it looked just like I had just done a run of UJSM and it SMELLED just like a straight wash of it as well. I mean it had a yellow tinge to it and it smelled old and sour. Another interesting thing is that the "stainless steel" balls I was using for boiling chips had turned a really odd brown color. Obviously they were not SS. Next time I will be throwing in some mismatched SS spoons to take their place. Im thinking they may have had something to do with it too. Perhaps THEY are where the yellow tinge came from, in which case, All my low wines are now suspect. MY copper packing needed to be rinsed out as well, as it smelled of UJSM.
So this is my thinking:
Next time I run, I should make it a point to include more water in the run, make sure I dont play with the temperature ( I changed it by a few degrees two times) and possibly use some carbonate to clean the Feints/low wines with. I should also start with a wash more suited to actual nuetrals. I particurly like my version of rice nuetral based on the gerber wash.
If I was going to clean this last gallon, I would add it to the pot with at least two gallons of water, maybe some bicarb/carbonate. Also I need to replace the balls with something that I can gaurantee is non reactive like glass or even stainless steel spoons and such.
Might be time to build a parrot as well.
Need an alcometer.
Any feedback would be appreciated....and Yes, I will be reading even more.
ScottishBoy
BTW, did I mention that I will be reading some more?
My rig is a boca 1.5 inch 24 inch column with 1 foot codenser on top. The
boiler is almost 4 gallons. It has about 6 copper scrubbies in the column. Im shooting for the best nuetral I can make at this point.
So I was wondering if someone could check my logic on this?
and yes, I am going back for even more reading...
I ran water to clean it up , then some water and vinegar. Came out nice and clean. No tastes afterward but a VERY slight taste of copper.
( Good to check the still, clean it and see how it goes. Seems simple....right?)
So then I grabbed roughly three gallons of heads and tails from various experiments and proceeded to run them through. I figured they were pretty much already at 40-50 % so I just left them as is and ran them.
( I think this is where my logic breaks down. I mixed UJSM feints with nuetral feints and did not treat them with any carbonate or anything else. Just straight through.)
So I ran the column, got it to where it equalized and was stable at 172.4 , then started bleeding off spirit. The first three small samples were all very "banana mixed with acetone", then it dropped away, but I could still smell the USMJ and the Tomato wash in it. It tasted fine, but I could still smell just the faintest echo of it, when I diluted to taste, there it was, two very seperate and distinct flavors in the finish. I decided to run with it anyway and try to search some asnswers when it was done. All told it was about 2 and a half hours of dropping for nearly a gallon of nearly pure and some feints for the next time. I watched the temp rise slowly as I collected and then stopped when the distillate started to remind me of old dried mushrooms.
( Hmmmm. what the hell is that doing there? Too greedy with the cuts last time? In theory ( please dont shoot me ) they should have come out to almost nothing if they kept going. Is something wrong with the column? Is it not refluxing properly? Is this just a "learning to drive" thing? Maybe I took too much too fast? )
The odd thing. When I dropped all the feints in, they were cystal clear. After the run, when I opened the lid, it looked just like I had just done a run of UJSM and it SMELLED just like a straight wash of it as well. I mean it had a yellow tinge to it and it smelled old and sour. Another interesting thing is that the "stainless steel" balls I was using for boiling chips had turned a really odd brown color. Obviously they were not SS. Next time I will be throwing in some mismatched SS spoons to take their place. Im thinking they may have had something to do with it too. Perhaps THEY are where the yellow tinge came from, in which case, All my low wines are now suspect. MY copper packing needed to be rinsed out as well, as it smelled of UJSM.
So this is my thinking:
Next time I run, I should make it a point to include more water in the run, make sure I dont play with the temperature ( I changed it by a few degrees two times) and possibly use some carbonate to clean the Feints/low wines with. I should also start with a wash more suited to actual nuetrals. I particurly like my version of rice nuetral based on the gerber wash.
If I was going to clean this last gallon, I would add it to the pot with at least two gallons of water, maybe some bicarb/carbonate. Also I need to replace the balls with something that I can gaurantee is non reactive like glass or even stainless steel spoons and such.
Might be time to build a parrot as well.
Need an alcometer.
Any feedback would be appreciated....and Yes, I will be reading even more.
ScottishBoy
BTW, did I mention that I will be reading some more?
ScottishBoy
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
An easy way to check if the ss metal is really ss, is to test them with a magnet. The really ss, don't pull the magnet.
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
The "learning to Drive my Still" Haiku
"The answers are here
Immerse yourself in old lore
Dammit! Read some more!"
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"The answers are here
Immerse yourself in old lore
Dammit! Read some more!"
Scottish Boy
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
Confirmed that the Stainless Steel bearings I had were not stainless at all...also proved that two of the spoons were non stainless as well.
Replaced spoons. Refilled with Sunday's pure run, diluted to 40 % and added about 4 tblspoons of Sodium carbonate.
Now Im going to try a much slower take off. Already the wash smelled better when I put the carbonate in.
I have so much to learn. Since I started this I have realized I dont know jack about this.
SB
Replaced spoons. Refilled with Sunday's pure run, diluted to 40 % and added about 4 tblspoons of Sodium carbonate.
Now Im going to try a much slower take off. Already the wash smelled better when I put the carbonate in.
I have so much to learn. Since I started this I have realized I dont know jack about this.
SB
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
SS can be magnetic, depending on the grade and how much it has been worked. The grades we use (mainly 304 and 316) are often weakly magnetic. Check a stainless keg.kazanas wrote:An easy way to check if the ss metal is really ss, is to test them with a magnet. The really ss, don't pull the magnet.
You will also find that the main barrel on a keg is less magnetic than the hoops at the top and bottom. Different grades of stainless.
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
Just started working my way into the hearts. Wife says "I like the smell and it's sweet and polite to the front. Leaves a little burn on the back of the throat. Warms you up on the way down too."
Wife Approval Factor (WAF) has just passed the point where it will be okay to keep the brew buckets inside.
This is a minor victory.
Did I mention I was going to do more reading?
SB
Wife Approval Factor (WAF) has just passed the point where it will be okay to keep the brew buckets inside.
This is a minor victory.
Did I mention I was going to do more reading?
SB
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
Minor?Wife Approval Factor (WAF) has just passed the point where it will be okay to keep the brew buckets inside.
This is a minor victory.
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
In the words of my employer..."It only takes one 'Ah shit' to undo a lot of 'atta boy's'...HookLine wrote:Minor?Wife Approval Factor (WAF) has just passed the point where it will be okay to keep the brew buckets inside.
This is a minor victory.
She brought home a movie. Wasnt happy when I told her I needed to check it every 5 minutes...but I enjoyed the hill for a almost an hour...
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
I also thought it was more than a "minor" victory, hook. Well done SB.
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
Thanks Guys. I think my second run would have gotten me a B, maybe a B+...
My wife like Vodka and especially coffee liquer like Kaluha...I can indulge my hobby if I cater to her desires....muahahahahahahaaaaaaaa....
My wife like Vodka and especially coffee liquer like Kaluha...I can indulge my hobby if I cater to her desires....muahahahahahahaaaaaaaa....
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
SOPI can indulge my hobby if I cater to her desires...
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
Took a few sniffs at my cuts from last night. The interesting thing ( or the thing that I find interesting anyway) was that there SEEMS to be a clear seperation not only from the basic parts, but from the two different washes. The early half of the hearts has very vague echoes of the sweet wash, where as the latter half of the hearts has echoes of the UJSM components. It was the oddest thing I have observed in a long time. I wasnt aware that you could seperate them like that. Could this be a by product of the various esters being heavier than the others?HookLine wrote:SOPI can indulge my hobby if I cater to her desires...
The plumet of the % alcohol, rise in temp, and tails coming through so clearly was really cool to see. I took temperature readings every five minutes so I could observe how it all went with minor adjustments in temperature. LM definitely takes more energy that pot stilling.
Thanks for the help. I was able to sit on the couch last night with an iced 100 proof vodka that was pleasing and took the chill very nicely.
SB
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Last edited by ScottishBoy on Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: My first Spirit Run...I'm thinking D+...?
This is a quick graph of the still head temps over time. Just for information.
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