Drinking and heart disease

[Coon-ass]

Without giving to much information away....let's just say I work in medicine and specifically in heart related medicine.
It is my job to stay abreast of new trends, technology, and published studies. I thought I would post some studies for your benefit.
One thing I would like for ya'll to notice. None of these studies state RED WINE. While red wine is rich in antioxidents
it is alcohol (C2H5OH) that is beneficial. So, it doesn't matter in what form you drink it as long as there is ethanol in it. (It is often a common misconception
that it is only red wine that is beneficial.)

Here is one, and older one from 2006, that I thought ya'll might like.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1471902/
Key finding in this study: In men, for the same weekly amount of alcohol intake, frequent drinkers have a lower risk of coronary heart disease than less frequent drinkers

and another study abstract on Type II diabetes
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/co ... 0.abstract
Key finding: Our findings suggested that frequent alcohol consumption conveys the greatest protection against type 2 diabetes, even if the level of consumption per drinking day is low. Beverage choice did not alter risk

and one from JAMA (not the article but an abstract since you would have to be a member to read it) but it states:
A recent meta-analysis1 that included 51 (43 cohort) studies estimated a 20% risk reduction for consumption of 0 to 20 g of alcohol (0-2 drinks) per day and some risk reduction for intake up to 72 g (6 drinks) per day. The lower CHD risk in drinkers also has been observed in a wide variety of patient populations, including those with diabetes,2-3 hypertension,4-5 and prior myocardial infarction (MI).6 The consistency of these findings and the growing evidence that alcohol might protect against CHD via higher high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol levels, antithrombotic actions, or reduced insulin resistance argue for a causal protective effect of moderate drinking.7-
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/ex ... 85/15/2004

So, in a nutshell.......CHEERS!

[still crazy]

With that in mind I am off to secure my heart for another 20 years

[rednose]

After reading and liking the articles I told my wife about it.

The only comment was if I had a glass too much

How can you make a wife to believe that?

Do you have a similar article for smoking cigarrets?

Joe

[blind drunk]

Do you have a similar article for smoking cigarrets?

Joe, I think the Tobacco industry has some pretty good studies that might help you bd.

[rednose]

That's a good hint BD, only hope they are more wife friendly,

[Coon-ass]

Joe,
Hate to tell you this but smoking is about the absolute worse thing you can do in regards to cardiovascular disease.
This is just an observation from 12 years experience, but I would say at least 85% of the people we do surgery on for coronary artery bypass smoke or have smoked at some point in their life for an extended period of time. 2nd on that
List would be diabetes, 3rd would be genetics, 4th would be diet and exercise.
But that being said, there are no absolutes. Sometimes you can live your life as healthy as a marathon runner and s*%# happens. You could get viral cardiomyopathy or end up having poor anatomy. That's what happened to Pete Maravich...he only had one coronary artery. But, all that being said, I say enjoy life. He'll, we could be run over by a bus anyway.....ya never know.

[Mud Mechanik]

Thanks coon-ass, I must be very heart healthy then, if there is a 20% risk reduction for only 2 drinks per day, I'm 100% protected . MM

[Austin Nichols]

My heart will be beating for many years after I'm gone, and I should never get diabetes

I might celebrate this news right now.

Cheers.

[rednose]

I only can confirm what you are writing coon.

I’m paying the bill for heavy smoking during 30 years actually.

They detected high sugar and cholesterol, I made EKGs (also under pressure) and the heart is still OK.

The doc told me I only have to stop smoking to get back to where I was two years ago, I have to underline that I have never been ill beside of a light hepatitis infection and maybe some gripe.

I love to smoke and it really cost me to stop, I smoked 3 packages daily and am now at one only.

I hope I can get to zero till end of the year, I’m using electronic cigarettes to soften the effect of stopping but it’s still a hard way and sometimes I get very mad with me and the rest of the world, wished I never started with this adictive shit.

Joe

[Coon-ass]

I only can confirm what you are writing coon.

I’m paying the bill for heavy smoking during 30 years actually.

They detected high sugar and cholesterol, I made EKGs (also under pressure) and the heart is still OK.

The doc told me I only have to stop smoking to get back to where I was two years ago, I have to underline that I have never been ill beside of a light hepatitis infection and maybe some gripe.

I love to smoke and it really cost me to stop, I smoked 3 packages daily and am now at one only.

I hope I can get to zero till end of the year, I’m using electronic cigarettes to soften the effect of stopping but it’s still a hard way and sometimes I get very mad with me and the rest of the world, wished I never started with this adictive shit.

Joe

Joe, I wish you all the luck in the world with quitting. I never smoked so I cannot attest to the difficulty of quitting, but knowing people that do smoke,
it seems harder than anything they have ever done in their life. For me, it is learning how to solder

[Samohon]

My father, who is 75YO, was diagnosed with heart disease 7 years ago, he ended up having bypass surgery... Although he never smoked in his life, his vice was fried food, 'heart attack specials', I called them... I stopped smoking about the same time as his surgery and felt the benefit immediately...

Now my father has a dram in the evening (rum), three guesses where that comes from , and he says he's never felt better. The medicinal qualities connected to alcohol are astonishing, but, as we all know, too much of a good thing... So lucky to have my mum/dad still with us...

Thanks for the links coon-ass, very interesting... And thanks for being a link in a very long chain that is so needed...

Well, I just poured myself, and my heart, some medicine....

[beelah]

Thanks for the abstracts Coon Ass. One recent study I saw dealt with alcohol consumption in woman who had been treated for Breast cancer, and there seemed to be a higher incidence of recurrance in those who consumed more than two drinks a day.

So we should be telling our wifes to drink moderatly or not at all if they have had a bought of this terrible disease.

I means we have them around longer( some may not like that, but myself I do want my wife around) and can have her be the designated driver. Just tell her you are doing for her health.

[Kentucky shinner]

Man I feel better.. Hell Im off to have a drink. been along day for me..

[Bayou-Ruler]

recon I'm gonna kick the bucket..... I don't drink

[father william]

I was lucky. Back in the day when we were all 13 or 14 and everyone thought smoking was the absolute coolest thing you could do, I was finally peer pressured into trying a cigarette. Gave me the worst damn headache I'd ever had.

Thought to myself, "People pay money for this shit? Why don't you just buy a hammer and hit yourself in the head once in a while?"

Just being around smokers gives me a mild headache, so I think I'm safely beyond ever taking up the habit.

[blanikdog]

recon I'm gonna kick the bucket..... I don't drink

Drink v no drink. Smoke v non smoke makes no difference, you are definately going to kick the bucket. The main difference I see is the manner of kicking the fucker. Not one person we all know today will be alive in another hundred years.

Stay Safe

[ammo man]

I don't know blanikdog. I may give it a try. I have a lot of things that are my todo list. May take 100 years to complete them.

Bert

[blanikdog]

You probably will make it, Bert. Being a Texan a'nall.

[Coon-ass]

Thanks for the abstracts Coon Ass. One recent study I saw dealt with alcohol consumption in woman who had been treated for Breast cancer, and there seemed to be a higher incidence of recurrance in those who consumed more than two drinks a day.

So we should be telling our wifes to drink moderatly or not at all if they have had a bought of this terrible disease.

I means we have them around longer( some may not like that, but myself I do want my wife around) and can have her be the designated driver. Just tell her you are doing for her health.

Funny you mention this, beelah.
If you click on the link and read the first study, it shows that drinking in moderation has no benefit for women and heart disease. Actually, one drink a week is the max benefit they can get. So, there is really no need for them to consume more.....according to the study.
And breast cancer is a horrible disease, lost my mother to it in 2000. Taken at 58.