american white oak in the u.k.

ahira · Post by **ahira** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:38 pm

hi all does any of the u.k. members have a source for white oak for flavour / ageing ?
i have been looking for a while to no avail, i really would like to get some spirals but they cost a fortune to ship from the us and it seems no one in england stocks em.

heres hoping

zedsdead · Post by **zedsdead** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:30 am

i got a box of oak from for £20 on ebay from gillian@carrickcooperage.co.uk

Post by **HolyBear** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:55 am

Stay tuned... I'm working on a modified pigroaster stick that ill send wherever the need is....

ahira · Post by **ahira** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:14 pm

ok i may be a bit simple here but what the f&^k is a "pigroaster stick"
i have been drinking both single malt n bourbon for many years but being in the uk bourbon was somewhat restricted to jd/jb/
and few others but i have recently i found "four roses" .....oh my ..... could this be the best thing ever to touch my lips
( wife excluded ) the depth of taste how light could it be.
this was a turning point for me i need to make a " real " bourbon now i have a bok with a interchangable pot head 40" column plus the head please help a simple man create a drink that maybe just a little like four roses .
the stuff i have is ok needs good oaking but i need a recipe to get me near to four roses please

oh and on the off chance has anyone found a recipe that tastes like greek metaxa ??

Post by **myles** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:38 am

ahira wrote: oh and on the off chance has anyone found a recipe that tastes like greek metaxa ??

Yes I would like that too.

Post by **myles** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:23 am

Here is an oak flavour / info pdf. Can't remember where I got it from. Have you thought of using English Oak?

Post by **Dnderhead** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:40 am

metaxa and four roses are both tall orders, metaxa is a blend of brandy's made from 3 different raisins ,aged for at least 3 years in french oak then spices such as bay leaf,cinnamon, nutmeg and rose petals are added then aged more then filtered and bottled.
four roses is also a blend,using 10 different bourbons.waiting 3-20 years to see if you had the recipes right whould be a drag..and your not going to git the "nice smooth"flavor by aging with wood blocks in a jar.

ahira · Post by **ahira** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:01 am

Dnderhead wrote:metaxa and four roses are both tall orders, metaxa is a blend of brandy's made from 3 different raisins ,aged for at least 3 years in french oak then spices such as bay leaf,cinnamon, nutmeg and rose petals are added then aged more then filtered and bottled.
four roses is also a blend,using 10 different bourbons.waiting 3-20 years to see if you had the recipes right whould be a drag..and your not going to git the "nice smooth"flavor by aging with wood blocks in a jar.

Doh !!

Post by **Samohon** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:16 am

Get yourself an oak planter from the garden center - £20. Make sure it is made from an ex whisky barrel.

They are usually American, French or English... Cut it up into ½" x ½" x 6" sticks then toast and char some of them...

Works a treat for me...

Hope it helps...

Post by **DFitz** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:53 am

Just saw this post. While four roses may be a tall order I'm heading down that path as well. Both four Roses and Angels Envy use a similar mash bill. I do notice that Angels Envy is filtered. While there are several different brands that four roses produces I notice that the barley % in the grain bills are usually 5%. This would lead me to believe that the Rye has to be malted. Either that or the distiller has to introduce enzymes.

I'm currently running several batches of a mash that resembles these grain bills. I'll be looking for a decent barrel supplier as I'll be using probably 3 barrels to complete the two different recipes I'll use for these bourbons. In time, we'll see whats produced.

spaleur · Post by **spaleur** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:10 am

just wanted to share a link to a German place (probably way too expensive, but at least my fellow Europeans will have the option). They also have barrels, that seem to be at a better price.

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