How many of you are doing this as part of homesteading?

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jsanders wrote:Moose - soaps not that hard once you do it. I'm sure Mrs. Moose or you could knock out 5 lbs in no time. These 2 sites are what I used to get started.

http://www.soapcalc.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow and http://www.teachsoap.com/forum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Also, you can find everything you need at the grocery or make it yourself. Molds can be built out of wood or they can be milk cartons. They say in an extended emergency, sanitation will be the one of the biggest challenges for people. Soap will be a cheap, easy barter item.

Try it!
I would also add the Majestic Mountain Sage Lye calculator for as long as we have the net:
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Yep, Sage is a good one too. I'm printing all my recipes and keeping them in a book. I did a bunch of 1 oil soaps and took notes, then did some combinations of oils to get the different things like cleansing and suds. Kind of like I'm doing with my hooch.
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If you print out a good SAP value table with the calculation at the top for how much KoH NaOh to use per weight of fat that is also a good idea
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here is where I got my original soap making spreadsheet. http://www.millersoap.com/worksheet.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow This one can stay on your computer, i.e. does not require an internet connection, and is usable offline. Here is an updated version of millers sheet: (v3). http://www.soulgazersundries.com/soapsheet.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow. This is the spreadsheet I started with, and have added to mine since I downloaded it (as I was learning excel). But this original is a wonderful tool also.

All soap calcs are pretty much the same. They contain SAP pre-computed values for each oil type, and Lye (NAOH or KOH) has pretty standard properties, as long as you KNOW the purity of the lye. So the recipes to 'make' the soap are nothing more than trivial math. However, there ARE many rules on making 'GOOD' soap, vs just making soap. Getting things to properly lather, to properly clense, to properly wet, to have silky feeling, etc, etc. That is where research into what oils to use, temps, processes, etc can make a large difference.

Soap making is akin to booze making. There is a ton of information out on the net. Pretty much any newbe can do either, and get 'results'. They can research 'just' enough to know how to do it, and make some crappy 'soap', or a nasty turbo collecting all, and getting terrible hangovers from it. Or a newbe can spend a little more time researching, and find a 'simple' working recipe, such as UJSSM/Albran and learning cuts, or for soapmaking, finding a good beginner page such as http://www.millersoap.com/soapproc.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow and beginner recipe such as http://www.millersoap.com/soapanimal.html#TallowSoap" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow, and end up making very decent booze, and very good quality beginners soap.

I do love soap making. I do not make the fancy smancy womens soap. I make good bar soap, and also make (Mrs Husker actually does this one) a very good home made laundry detergent. So it is good to know that if the zombie apocolyse ever comes, Husker will be clean, drunk, and well fed. Now I just need to learn some blacksmithing skills, and how to make my own furnature, and I would be that much closerr to being 'set'.

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I learned a trick that might be usefull in a couple ways...

Tobacco could be a very good trade item when the s°\√π hits the fan. I remember granpaws hanging upside down in the barn (and breaking some off ta chew). It is expensive nowadays with all the taxes added to it. And, who knows what else they add...

So, I've tried to grow it 4 times and only successful this year. I remember me paw saying that you had to burn a brush pile then plant the seeds in it. I tried, no luck. I tried planting straight into the ground on a few occasions, no luck. But this year, I did something different and it worked!!!

I baught some sterile potting soil. (It can be made by bagging soil in black plastic bag and left out in the sun). Then I baught several.clear plastic sterlite tubs from Walmart. I also got several flats of peatmoss cups. Filled the cups with sterile soil, placed the tiny tobacco seeds in the soil, (one per cup) , watered well, then covered with the clear plastic lid. It was like a mini green house. I got 100% germination!!! After they were about 6" tall, I transplanted them. Turned out great, now I've got tobacco hanging in tha barn...
well, I've been wanting to malt some millet. But the temps are getting cooler
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Damn phone. I can only type so much before I can't see it anymore.

Any way, I've been wanting to try malting some millet. The temps are getting cooler. But it occurred to me today that I might be able to use my "mini greenhouses"to germinate the seed. They keep the seed nice and warm and moist. I think I'll give it a try tomorrow...
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I think the soil type plays a big part in growing tobacco, there used to be a lot of tobacco grown in my area and all the farmers that I know that grew it had sandy loam type soil, the ones with clay soil types grow corn and soybeans. Very few farmers grow it here any more, the government actually was buying them out of it. Now a large part of all crops are grown in greenhouses, like english cucumbers, sweet bell peppers, and tomatoes are the crops grown here now.
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Yea moose, I can see why they would like a more sandy soil. They seem kinda tropical. But it was the germination that I was having trouble with. The "mini greenhouses" were just what I needed to get em started. I think they would also work well for malting grain,,, warm, moist, lots of sun, but out of the wind... I'll be giving it a try...
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""lots of sun""????
not wanted for starting seed nor for malting.
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quick question: (and i don't know if this is the right place for it...)

preppers...... what are you prepping for? why are you doing it? to what extent? .... I live in a place that can get tornados and blizzards and stuff like that. I was an eagle scout. I understand being prepared and keep a few weeks worth of canned food and iodine tablets for drinking water. (assuming the still wouldn't be usefull) but that's about all that's really necessary... but if there is something I don't know inform me.
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Homesteading? eh. It's cool enough I guess, but i just rent. I distill to make a great spirit that i can take pride in.

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Dnderhead wrote:""lots of sun""????
not wanted for starting seed nor for malting.
After researching last night, I kept running across folks talking about yer bucket in a bucket method fer malting, but I can't find it...

Maybe the reason it worked so well for tobacco is simply the warmth. Of course I had soil in there too and I poked the seeds down in it 1/4", (shade).
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GM, what am I preping for? I'de say the answer is, life... though I can honestly say that I have absolutely no fear of death, none. (In fact, I'm kinda lookin forward to it, I'll finally get some rest!!!) Like John Wayne said, "Dying easy, it's livin that's hard".

"Preping" is just a way of life. Some like to live in big cities, some in tha country, just a personal preference of a way to live. Some nowadays like to live in the "make believe" land of TV, others could care less what's showing on that box, personal preference. From your name, I assume you like music, I see no value in it. Personal preference. For entertainment, I like to ride my bike going no where really, maybe you would see no value in that... personal preference.

So now, why would I prefer to be prepared? And for what? I prefer to have me and mine comfortable no matter what the life situation is. It is my responsibility to take care of my family. I chose to accept that responsibility when I decided to get married and to have kids. A family in a disaster situation is very stressful, but it can often be alleviated by preparation.
When your wife has a flat tire on the side of the road, she's gonna be stressed all ta hell. But, maybe not so much if she's had a little lesson on changing a tire and has a gym bag in the trunk full of useful stuff like a flashlight, blanket, jumper cables, some food and water. Is that "preping" yep...

What do we prepare for? Well, you can look back at history and find all kinds of "disasters" that people wish they were better prepared for. You live in Missouri. You might want to research the new Madrid fault. How bout the coming "economic cliff" that's been in the news, try researching the wymar republic (not spelled right), it was what became the modern Germany. People were trading their cars for chickens because their money was worthless. (By tha way, I've got several chickens if somebody is hungry and has an extra Mercedes!!!) Economies come and go, nothing lasts forever. Ever heard of the great depression? I've heard that the next one will be even worse. When people are hungry and there kids are crying, an enemy is always created. War comes. Think that we could be attacked by an emp? All it would take would be one weapon in the wrong hands, and we would be instantly living back in stone age for a while. There are thousands of em out there already. The list of possibilities are from something as mundane as a flat tire to an event like what wiped out the dinosaurs. There is no way to be fully prepared for all situations, but the more that can be prepared for, the more comforting it is. In the end, it's just a way of life...
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Very well put.... :clap:
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wacabi1 wrote:GM, what am I preping for? I'de say the answer is, life... though I can honestly say that I have absolutely no fear of death, none. (In fact, I'm kinda lookin forward to it, I'll finally get some rest!!!) Like John Wayne said, "Dying easy, it's livin that's hard".

"Preping" is just a way of life. Some like to live in big cities, some in tha country, just a personal preference of a way to live. Some nowadays like to live in the "make believe" land of TV, others could care less what's showing on that box, personal preference. From your name, I assume you like music, I see no value in it. Personal preference. For entertainment, I like to ride my bike going no where really, maybe you would see no value in that... personal preference.
oh... you get no beef from me. I have two weeks of non perishable food and iodine tablets for water (tornado & blizzard preparedness) but that's kinda where i draw the line. I"ll save my hypothesis on the classic battles ("brains vs broad, speed vs mobility, solo hunter vs pack, mobility vs hunker-down) for a different thread than one for homesteading.

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You know Wacabi, the whole chicken thing and the Great Depression got me to thinking about that little whore house down here in LaGrange Tx. I'm guessing everyone's heard about the "Chicken Ranch" and how it got its name. It's a pretty interesting read if anyone cares to look it up

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moose11 wrote:Hey jsanders thanks for mentioning Backwoods Home Magazine, I've never heard of it and after I searched it and found it to be a great read. I would subscribe but the extra 18 bucks a year for postage to Canada is kinda steep.
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Buy a package of their back issues on digital media. They often have deals where you can buy a lot of their content fairly cheap. I have done so, I really enjoy it. Jackie Clay's book about canning is outstanding. Once in a while I run into a bum article but for the most part they do a great job as a small producer. I would suggest that you buy direct rather than downloading it from somewhere to support their business. It is a worthwhile investment.

I have been a subscriber for about four years now, and have several packages of their back issues.
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I got started a couple years back when I realized I was going to lose everything. And I did, right down to the clothes on my back, a partly functional stereo, and a motorcycle I had made two $79 payments on and owed a little over $5,000 on. My suits, gold cufflinks, beemer, computers, nice TV, all gone.

Well that's exaggerating a little, I still have a couple of pictures and a clock that belonged to my gramps, and a couple of guns. That's about it, though. I knew it was all going away.

I said to myself is there anything you want to have to keep you going in the next couple of dark years while you rebuild? I suppose I could use a drink, that might help out.

Fortunately for me, a part of my rebuilding process included a chemistry class in which we studied the separation of alcohol from water by measuring the boiling points of a water/alcohol solution. Soon enough I had a still, a boiler, and a hotplate that used cans of butane that I had to switch out 3-4 times during the run that I did right in my kitchen.

For a couple of years I made crap with turbo yeast and didn't think much about quality.

Last night I made the best booze of my life, and it is 100% thanks to the homedistiller.com community's freely given advice. I don't need to make my own anymore due to financial pressure, but now I prefer what I make to anything that I could buy. There is such a striking difference in quality that I'm hard pressed to buy a drink at a restaurant. I just can't stand the smell of it. It would be like eating dried cat flanks.

Now I grow some spices, make my own laundry soap, dishwasher detergent, jerky, I have done a lot of pressure canning in the last couple of years, completely retooled into a medical profession, blah blah blah. I like to learn and understand the world around me by getting involved in the production of what I use.
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I don't post much - one of those dreaded "lurkers". I missed this thread when it originated, but thought I had something to add.

I started this hobby after talking to a friend about the "lost art". It wasn't too long after that I started thinking about what a great skill it was in the case of a SHTF scenario. We've been "prepping" for several years, but not really calling it that - just taking an interest in self-reliance. We have some land, stockpiles, and useful beasts; and we have skills - some learned out of interest, most just a product of growing up poor.

About a year ago, we met some folks who were interested in starting a "group", and started realizing the useful skills we had, and the ones we lacked. "Preppers" seem to vary a bit, but I've not met any as goofy as those in the reality shows. Watching the "panic shopping" in light of a possible change to gun rights, and even by the recent snow storm makes it pretty apparent what's going to happen the moment something shows the slightest sign of going horribly wrong. I'm not one that thinks we'll be in the stone-age, but I do think we likely have a few hard years coming up sometime in my lifetime, probably not as far off as I would like.

So, distilling, making soap, storing food, spinning yarn, having water purification abilities, etc., just seems sensible, to me. Thanks to this sight (and a few experienced locals), I've gained lots of knowledge and confidence in one valuable skill. Thanks to you all for that.

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im actually not a massive drinker, when i go to the pub i dont really touch the spirits when i can drink ale and cyder. i often move onto the spirits later in the evening. i just like making things and enjoy the stuff i learn along the way. my imagination has taken me to place in the wild future where my likker and herbal jazz plants would supply me with plenty of trade come the apocalypse.

i do have ambitions of being a homesteader, as i have an allotment for food and try to make as many of the things i use as possible. i am in the proccess of replacing all of the items in my kitchen with my own handmade and recycled creations. way down the line id like to learn to work with glass.

its difficult in the uk to buy a piece of land and build a low cost eco home because of restrictive planning permission. its something im going to research, and i plan to live my current life until i am 30, by which time i should have enough money to undertake the project legally.
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I grew up in a homestead where we raised what we ate and grew some of it. It takes the right land, a lot of it, equipment, barns, stalls, etc to make that happen. A man and wife just can't do it so you need a crew or a large family over 14 or 15 years old. Just my experience.

What I do now is garden as much as I can and brew. I love this hobby and it is a lot of work and skill. Love the challenge and making a great product to enjoy.

The governments today are taking away the rights to do a lot of things so I'm enjoying what I can do and hiding what I don't want them to know. :D
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Just a newbee to home distilling, grew up on a small farm, got away from it when I was 20. Now I'm in my 50's and reallizing I never had it so good. As I see the economy and our government go to shit in a hand basket I have found it or believe it to be in all of are best interests to prepare for a tough future. I won't say I'm a prepper but I do believe there is so much we can do to make life easier on ourselves. In the last 5 years I have started to raise my own fruits and vegetables, raise 100 chickens a year, just harvested my first batch of Tilapia about 180 of them. Use the water to fertilize my gardens (I raise peppers year round indoors). Figured I'd raise a couple of pigs this year to and while I was at it why not try moonshine.
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Buckfalls wrote:... just harvested my first batch of Tilapia about 180 of them. Use the water to fertilize my gardens (I raise peppers year round indoors). Figured I'd raise a couple of pigs this year to and while I was at it why not try moonshine.
I can honestly say I have had more fun the last 4-5 years then the previous 25 where I felt I needed the materialistic things in life. This is a great forum
I'd be interested in hearing more about raising Tilapia. I had (needs rebuilding) a pond full of sunfish. I've read about using chicken fertilizer to sustain the Talapia. I assume they eat algae, caused by the fertilizer? I know that's what the sunfish do. I meant to, but never added bass to the pond.
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'The book of the New Alchemists' has an entire section of aquaculture - they are pretty much focused on homescale/small community scale food raising; well worth a read
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Buck, since yer raising chickens/pigs and have to feed every day anyway, maybe you should consider milk goats??? They don't eat much, love to eat brush, will do a good job cleaning up an area. I've heard that because of some legislation, milk might double in price this year. Milk is used for drinking, cooking, making cheese, etc. I've even heard you could make spirits outta it but haven't tried. The only thing is that you can't have just one, you need atleast two because they have to have company. And you need a fence that will hold water, they love to get out...
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yeah my young yrs i grew up on a property like my parents and there parents and even when we left the property my uncle and grandparents farms work just walking distance so still spent a lot of time there . never messed with soap but can vaguely remember it was done, as in i can remember what fat to cut for where for it, right up till I left South Oz we killed our own meat grew veggies all that even had bees and of cause hunted and brewed. Kinda hamstrung for doing alot of that now even though times are tougher here than I ever had. don't know farmers to get meat direct, or ask to hunt on there land, the forrests here have bout no rabbits and ya see a hare rarely in the distance and dear hell closest I come was seeing a footprint in the dry mud but I do still try to be a bit self sufficiant got tobacco but just found out thats a hanging offence here, can't win :roll:
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