Old Dogs sale of endorsements

[thecroweater]

Perrier came up with the first practical column still in 1822, Coffey refined it in 1830,

Luckily Robert Steins is long dead or I feel he would chime in about here with a well in 1820 i showed my "patent still" (not patented) to a revenue collector called Coffey and......
A bit off topic but pointed to the discussion: My grandmothers great uncle a man by the name of Carl August Schiller was a farmer and a blacksmith from the hamet of sutherlands SA. The man dreamed up and build a lot of agricultural machinery , things like the stump jump plough and harrows, crop lifters a winnowing crop stripper and many more. He made them and sold them in his spare time for many many yrs and often took them to local field days and AG shows. One day some insurance joker turns up and is keenly interested in them, goes back with him to see how they work and are made . Next thing this guy teams up with Sunshine harvester company and with no farming experience he's the greatest innovator to agriculture in modern history (just amazing).meanwhile poor old uncle Aug ain't allowed to make the machines he's been making for 30 or 40 yrs. Cause he didn't invent some of his concepts but hell he improved them out of sight, little credit wouldn't of hurt em
Not buying into this one way or another just noting the nature of man has little changed with the passing of time

[heartcut]

Robert Stein patented his improvements on Dec 4,1828, but he did seem to help Coffey quite a bit, apparently without Stein's knowledge. I agree that OD is in Stein's category, a man that came up with something of great worth that never got the (spendable real world) credit he deserved. Many other people climbed on to that wagon.
OD, I'm not a man of great means, but I'm working on a still that I wouldn't have envisioned if it wasn't for you. If I know where to send it, I will send an "engineering commision" to you for putting me on a better path for me. Thanks.

[Big Bert]

I am one of the wizz guys empty talked about, I can't build a still , no talent ,but if you can build it I can make it work to its max. I would like to thank you all for giving me stuff to play with, this started out as to compare the HB to the MH, I have run the MH a lot of diff. ways and it does work , when I get the HB (OD) I will run the hell out of it to compare thanks all of you again..

Just because I can't build a outhouse doesn't mean I don't know how to use it..

OldDog if I had more I would offer more

BB

[Bushman]

As a retired industrial design teacher I've seen this time and time again. It's called R & D. No not research and development but Rob and Duplicate

[googe]

And im one of the arseholes that went to the dark side and was blindedI, I've seen the light now. think I would be very proud to know something I created caused so much envy, I think od thinks along them lines as I've never seen any bitterness. I know when money and business is involved it's a different story. Maybe it is true we get wise with age!.

[thecroweater]

Yes sorry Heartcut that post was entirely written from memory by a forgetful person
Ok it is with some considerable misgivings that I continue this post as I hold in esteem and have the greatest respect for those I address but conscience demands that I should. So it is my profound and sincere hope to my following post is taken as a point of order rather than a rebuke, defence or a retaliatory position and no offence is intentionally directed at anyone
Some have an axe to grind for reasons that are frankly none of my business but not for the first time and most likely unintentionally I hear it scraping past my door .
I don't know of any garden paths or seeing the light in Oz. what is recorded elsewhere is the same as what is recorded here with many numerous references and links to relevant posts here. I doubt there would be one person in the greater English speaking distilling community that wouldn't recognize Olddog as the identity that brought the concept of the plated column still to the hobby distiller, (some contention over bubble caps with an afore mentioned member aside).
The fact is a great amount of innovation has gone on with these concepts with greater and less results by a great many. EG yourself proved that a mechanical vapour lock was neither necessary nor perhaps beneficial to the fundamental design. others showed the great flexibility of having these built fully modular, putting in a vent to prevent the hydrolic effect on the parrot alcometer or taking LWTCS's in line thumper concept and placing it under a column. Single Caps spider caps tap washer valves the list goes on and on, I even heard of a couple of jokers who borrowed Mash Rookie's study of lava packing to create a plated hybrid fast working efficient reflux still .
Point being personality clashes aside, that a great many ppl have made some very worthy innovations, some will get credit for it some sadly won't. Either way I don't feel its honest or fair to suggest or imply someone's innovations or improvements are unworthy of recognition whether they be RN or AN or anyone based on a personal opinion of character. As already stated Most innovations are time signatured
As previously stated no offence is implied or directed at anyone and I sincerely hope none is taken, Cheers Crow

[emptyglass]

. EG yourself proved that a mechanical vapour lock was neither necessary nor perhaps beneficial to the fundamental design.

No I didn't mate, its just a modified weir. Works the same way, just as a round tube.
For the record, Mash Rookie was also doing a very similar thing at the same time I was, independantly of each other, with no knowledge of the others activity, at the time. I think we and others got inspired by olddogs research into weir plates, at the time. He didn't invent them, just shared his findings. Personaly, I think MR did it better than me.
I'm sure there is someone somewhere with a patent on weirs.

As I said, theres nothing new, just improvements or modification to the old. As LWTCS said, its just evaporation.

[thecroweater]

Me too , he just got 3300 off me.....
That was to be honest because MH wouldn't answer my emails for a price on their 6 plate so I got mad and got from HB ,then got one from MH anyway, am running the MH and loving it AND still have not got my HB
When the HB gets here I will give it a fair test and if it runs as good as they say I will thank OldDog
BB

Do you mean $3,300 for a 4" six plate still nar you can't mean that. Ok I give up what are you paying for what here

[Usge]

Prior to Jimmy Hendrix...the "sound" of modern electric guitar was twangy, often with lots of reverb. What Jimmy did was change the "sound" of the guitar. He played the same guitar (Fender Strat) Heavy, over driven, distortion, and upside down/leftie. I recall people watching him live didn't know whether to laugh, cry, throw rocks or scream. Mostly, they just stood there "stunned"...like watching an alien...and stared at him.

If Jimmy Hendrix were alive today and did a concert....most of the young people who had never lived during the time when the sound of the guitar was "different" would just shrug their shoulders and say...."what's the big deal"? Everybody sounds like that?

Kentucky Shinner' (HBS) role in all this was...he was the first to duplicate the build, and results, that OD laid down. We all knew OD and others had mad building skills. And it wouldn't have surprised anybody if myles or some of the others who had lots of fab work under their belt would pull off the build. But, KS, was able to duplicate the build...with some help from OD. And he also took pictures of his trials and tribulations in doing so for others to follow. And follow they did. So, one big part of this was...that it was something that anybody could build...even with basic hand tools.

The other big thing about it was...it was getting real results....even in it's first iteration. There was nothing here in these forums that could duplicate those kind of run results. Much analysis, critiques, etc..followed. Now, it's just part of the history, the entire discussion/possibilities and process and forums for anyone who joins to find, look at...duplicate...get plans for, etc. And others have added their own touches to it.

I think my point is...it's easy to lose sight of the contributions that early pioneers make when their contribution is so profound that it changes the paradigm of what existed before and everything that comes after...has a piece of it. As far as I"m concerned...every 4" , four plate column I see...regardless of the design, changes, etc....has OD's name on it somewhere.

Usge

[bentstick]

Usge nicely said,not many that have built their own columns,pot,reflux,etc,etc type equipment has not copied something from the past,or something new as a added touch of ones self,we are here to learn and carry on the "tradition" may it be modern or old school but damn we know who came up with what and who is profiting from such! Rock on fellas we are to make stuff!

[olddog]

OK an announcement will be made shortly pending receipt of payment. The are two folks who will get the naming and marketing rights with my full endorsement. I have split the world into zones, so one Australian builder will be carrying on with the "Flute"tradition, and one from USA who will have the North American rights. It's a pity there was no response from Europe, otherwise it could have been a world wide spread, which would have been a tremendous marketing tool for marketing their product.

OD

[Big Bert]

Hi Crow, it breaks down like this ,6plate vodka tun key,Extra yeast,gin basket,banjo burner extra clamps ans gaskets,extra heat element 3000 plus 300 shipping

BB

[wv_cooker]

OK an announcement will be made shortly pending receipt of payment. The are two folks who will get the naming and marketing rights with my full endorsement. I have split the world into zones, so one Australian builder will be carrying on with the "Flute"tradition, and one from USA who will have the North American rights. It's a pity there was no response from Europe, otherwise it could have been a world wide spread, which would have been a tremendous marketing tool for marketing their product.

OD

This is absolutely fantastic news. Congrats OD and Congrats to the gentlemen involved.

[heartcut]

Sounds like there might be a happy ending on the way. Hell yeah.

[Bushman]

, if OD endorses it you can be sure he chose right! Anytime someone is willing to put their name behind a product especially someone well respected well....it speaks miles.

[olddog]

I am pleased to announce that the Aussie taking over the Flute reigns is Emptyglass, he produces a great product and continues with the innovation and development of this type of still and gets my full endorsement. He will look after the Asia Pacific region, I will announce the North American nominee as soon as details have been completed.


OD

[FullySilenced]

WTG EG

[Bushman]

Great choice, congratulations EG

[googe]

Congrats empty and od

[emptyglass]

Thanks guys, I'm happy to help out an olddog.

It dosn't change a thing for anyone else. It dosn't mean I own the design or anything like that. It basicly means I can make stills with his name on them. But given money has changed hands, it is by definition commercial, so this is all I'll say about it here. And the last thing I want is guys to think I'm going to claim anything. Nothing has changed, you guys building a flute, keep rockin on along.

Back on topic, mile hi vs hillbilly? I'd say buy a flute

[HookLine]

Good choice. EG does high quality work.

[Odin]

Congrats EG, I think OD made a good choice!

Hi OD, how's the genever going?

Regards, Odin.

[wv_cooker]

Perfect choice! Congrats to 2 great builders!!!!!!!

[drinkingdog]

Congrats EG. I can't wait to here who the other is

[FullySilenced]

ITs hard for me to believe that Hillbilly stills didn't step up to the plate and buy the US rights from OD

Bad move on HBS's part i am a thinkin sure would have made his status/reputation in the industry move up a notcha or two...i'm a thinkin...

[drinkingdog]

ITs hard for me to believe that Hillbilly stills didn't step up to the plate and buy the US rights from OD

Bad move on HBS's part i am a thinkin sure would have made his status/reputation in the industry move up a notcha or two...i'm a thinkin...

The person for the US hasn't been named yet unless I missed something. You never know it could be HBS. We will find out soon enough. It would be a step I in the right direction to right a wrong

[blind drunk]

The person for the US hasn't been named yet unless I missed something. You never know it could be HBS. We will find out soon enough. It would be a step I in the right direction to right a wrong

Yeah, that's what I thought too. There's still hope, until there isn't.

[olddog]

I know Emptyglass has some developments on the table, maybe he will release them as Flute MkIII


OD

[olddog]

Ok Guys, the owner of the North American rights to name and market the Flute range is BIG BERT, Although he does not build himself, he is sourcing a builder to make them for him, and will be marketing his range of Flutes. I would like you guys to support EMPTYGLASS and BIG BERT, I am confident they will do a fine job, and have my full endorsement.


OD

[blind drunk]

Congrats to all three of you. Well done.