Need a simple all grain recipe!!!!

[Aaron_the_distiller]

Nevermind. I found a 1lb bag of Alpha Amylase from them. Its $12.95 so im gonna get it

[woodshed]

Well, i got a mash made but didnt use any "malt crap" as previously mentioned. I had about 12.5% abv before distilling, and got about 3/4 gallon of 100 proof. The FG was wierd though..., it was like .98, below pure water. Is this normal? And with the new batch, which is 6ish lbs of cracked, 5lbs of cane sugar, and 1.5 tbsp of DADY yeast, my SG was 1.116, and S potential alcohol of 8%. Are these good numbers? So since i need malt for starch, which is best to get, 2-row? 6-row? Amylase? What malt do i need? And can i add it in with the cracked and not have to start over? BREWHAUS sells a distillers malt, which appears to be barley malt.

This post proves my point.

[Aaron_the_distiller]

Well, i got a mash made but didnt use any "malt crap" as previously mentioned. I had about 12.5% abv before distilling, and got about 3/4 gallon of 100 proof. The FG was wierd though..., it was like .98, below pure water. Is this normal? And with the new batch, which is 6ish lbs of cracked, 5lbs of cane sugar, and 1.5 tbsp of DADY yeast, my SG was 1.116, and S potential alcohol of 8%. Are these good numbers? So since i need malt for starch, which is best to get, 2-row? 6-row? Amylase? What malt do i need? And can i add it in with the cracked and not have to start over? BREWHAUS sells a distillers malt, which appears to be barley malt.

This post proves my point.

You know the only thing you are doing is making this worse by agging it on. Just stop. Yes it was a foolish post but i was unable to find any usable information regarding whether or not malt or enzymes were neccessary. I just bought a 1lb bag of alpha amylase enzyme from Brewhaus for my next mash. Ill give it a go then. And i never intended for malt to be taken as Crap. It was just the way it was worded. You all seriously need to grow up. I asked a rookie question, and yall took offense to it.

[corene1]

Well, i got a mash made but didnt use any "malt crap" as previously mentioned. I had about 12.5% abv before distilling, and got about 3/4 gallon of 100 proof. The FG was wierd though..., it was like .98, below pure water. Is this normal? And with the new batch, which is 6ish lbs of cracked, 5lbs of cane sugar, and 1.5 tbsp of DADY yeast, my SG was 1.116, and S potential alcohol of 8%. Are these good numbers? So since i need malt for starch, which is best to get, 2-row? 6-row? Amylase? What malt do i need? And can i add it in with the cracked and not have to start over? BREWHAUS sells a distillers malt, which appears to be barley malt.

No , these numbers do not add up. 6 pounds cracked corn , un malted. 5 pounds of sugar with a SG of 1.116. Tells me you have made that wash with about 2 gallons of water. Your sugar mixed at 1 pound per gallon will give you 1.046 gravity reading , 2 pounds of sugar per gallon will give you 1.092 no where near 1.116 , that actually works out to 2 1/2 pounds of sugar per gallon. out of that you got 3/4 gallon of 50% alcohol with those gravity numbers it works out to a 15.4 ABV wash. even at that it tells me there is only a potential of .3 gallons of 100% alcohol or .6 gallons of 50%. Now take away foreshots, heads, and tails. That doesn't leave much to drink. Correct my math if I am wrong but to me it doesn't add up.

[Aaron_the_distiller]

No the first numbers were from the mash i distilled last night. The second mumbers, the 1.116 and the 8% were from the new mash made last night.

[Aaron_the_distiller]

The new mash from last night wash the 6lbs of corn and 5lbs of sugar, but its numbers are 1.116 and 8% potential. It has not been distileld yet. My other mash made 3/4 gallon of 100 proof. It was made last friday night with a 4lb corn, 4lb sugar, 2tbsp bread yeast recipe. I dont have any numbers from it because my alcohometer/hydrometer set didnt come in untill yesterday morning

[corene1]

No the first numbers were from the mash i distilled last night. The second mumbers, the 1.116 and the 8% were from the new mash made last night.

Even at that if you have 1.116 SG and finish at 1.000 you will have a potential 15% wash. Don't know if your yeast will hold up to that much alcohol without making some off flavors, or even getting a stalled wash. If it doesn't finish at or near 1.000 you will have a lot of un fermented sugars in the wash and the distilling run will more than likely foam like crazy with some puking also. So what was the ingredient list of this wash?

[Tokoroa_Shiner]

Well, i got a mash made but didnt use any "malt crap" as previously mentioned. I had about 12.5% abv before distilling, and got about 3/4 gallon of 100 proof. The FG was wierd though..., it was like .98, below pure water. Is this normal? And with the new batch, which is 6ish lbs of cracked, 5lbs of cane sugar, and 1.5 tbsp of DADY yeast, my SG was 1.116, and S potential alcohol of 8%. Are these good numbers? So since i need malt for starch, which is best to get, 2-row? 6-row? Amylase? What malt do i need? And can i add it in with the cracked and not have to start over? BREWHAUS sells a distillers malt, which appears to be barley malt.

This post proves my point.

+1

[corene1]

The new mash from last night wash the 6lbs of corn and 5lbs of sugar, but its numbers are 1.116 and 8% potential. It has not been distileld yet. My other mash made 3/4 gallon of 100 proof. It was made last friday night with a 4lb corn, 4lb sugar, 2tbsp bread yeast recipe. I dont have any numbers from it because my alcohometer/hydrometer set didnt come in untill yesterday morning

Again these number don't add up. How much water in this wash. I say wash, because it has sugar, a mash is converted grains with no added sugar. Bread yeast will not hold up under that high of ABV during the end of fermentation. Again at 1.116 SG and a finish of around 1.000 will give a 15% potential wash. So again 4 pounds of sugar giving you 3/4 gallon of 50% isn't feasible no matter how you mix it.

[Aaron_the_distiller]

It is a 5gal wash/mash/wort whatever. I know there are differences but from the person i only had a short amount of time to work with, he just called it mash, andnever used any malt so thats why i havent yet. OK FORGET EVERYTHING POSTED SO FAR! You are complicating this too much. Both washes were 5gal mixes. The old one had no usable numbers because i didnt have a starting number, just a finish number. The finishes were 12.5% abv and .98 fg on the fist mash that i distilled last night. The new mash, the 6lb corn with dady yeast, had an sg of 1.116 and 8% potential.

[corene1]

It is a 5gal wash/mash/wort whatever. I know there are differences but from the person i only had a short amount of time to work with, he just called it mash, andnever used any malt so thats why i havent yet. OK FORGET EVERYTHING POSTED SO FAR! You are complicating this too much. Both washes were 5gal mixes. The old one had no usable numbers because i didnt have a starting number, just a finish number. The finishes were 12.5% abv and .98 fg on the fist mash that i distilled last night. The new mash, the 6lb corn with dady yeast, had an sg of 1.116 and 8% potential.

OK I will keep it simple. You need to read a bit more. A 1.116 Starting Gravity has a 15 plus percent ABV.
5 pounds of sugar in a 5 gallon wash will not give that high of SG and will not give 3/4 gallon of 50% product. Again more reading.
1 pound of sugar in 1 gallon of water will only show a SG of 1.046 and a potential 5.9 % ABV wash, again more reading involved.
I tried to tell you the difference between a wash and a mash so you could be more accurate in your descriptions. Makes answers easier.
I will back off now and let someone with more patience help. OK Doogie your up.

[Aaron_the_distiller]

O i got the wrong math. I spoke different than true. The sg of the new mash is 1.06, not 1.16. Sorry. Is that a better number?

[woodshed]

Please take the advice you have been given and do some more reading on your own. I wish you success but this desire of yours to be spoon fed the knowledge you seek is tiring. Good Luck!

[Aaron_the_distiller]

From what i understand, the lower the gravity, the better my wash will be. My new wash made last night, has a gravity of 1.060 and a potential alcohol of 8%.

[Doogie]

Please take the advice you have been given and do some more reading on your own. I wish you success but this desire of yours to be spoon fed the knowledge you seek is tiring. Good Luck!

Hold on, I am looking around ... can't find any button that flashes at me stating "You Must Reply To This Post" ... hmm ... gonna go try the Google Search ...

[Doogie]

From what i understand, the lower the gravity, the better my wash will be. My new wash made last night, has a gravity of 1.060 and a potential alcohol of 8%.

Simply, a lower SG will allow your ferment to finish at a lower Final Gravity. This may (depending on distillation methods/speed/etc,etc) lead to a less "sweet" final taste in your likker. Also, since you are not stressing your yeast, which can happen with higher SGs, you should (depending, yada yada) have a cleaner tasting product (which is why everyone hates turbo yeasts).

But like a few have politely stated, visit http://www.homedistiller.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow and click on Grains and take a peek around. This will help you a lot, and conserve cash from making a mistake. A usual suggestion is to look for a recipe in the "Tried and True" section using the materials you have. For corn/sugar, you should try the Uncle Jessie Simple Sour Mash (UJSSM) - very successful. Once mastered, like others, you can try pure grains.

Enjoy - there is a lot of info here on this forum - just finding it can be tricky and touchy at times ...

[woodshed]

My goal is to get the OP to learn on their own. True education rarely comes from just giving someone the answer.
Your goal seems to be telling us all how we should handle this.

[Aaron_the_distiller]

I just read the whole grain section. Took me the past 1.5hrs. I am just gonna gove this whole idea a rest untill i get my amylase in wednesday or so and go from there. I have about detonated my brain today by researching and trying. Time to give it all a rest. Ill look into the matter tommorow or so, but for right now, im wore out.

[woodshed]

Good job Aaron

[Doogie]

Back to the OP - that is a good price for amylase - but that is a lot ... read the instructions on the amylase, dont waste it - maybe add a bit extra ... but that will last you a while.

[Aaron_the_distiller]

Yeah i figured it was. But i always buy stuff in bulk, or atleast for distilling. Better to have too much, than to little when you need it