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My effort at malt corn production:

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I steeped 5 lbs (in a mesh bag) for 24 hours in 1% hydrogen peroxide, just enough to cover the kernels, in stainless steel pot, with lid, at 30 deg C. Corn was not rinsed nor soaked other than this single steep. They were drained (saved the steep water, maybe will use later as yeast nutrient in the ferment) and stored kernels in a stainless steel pot with a lid (so no light) for several days at 30 deg C. The above image is after 4 days. The H2O2 was used to both sterilize the kernels and provide some oxygen. I did NOT use drug store H2O2, which has some sort of preservative. I diluted 29% commercially available hydrogen peroxide down to 1%. After four days, there was no mold nor funky pukey smell, just "corny" and organic. I’m certainly not the first person to try H2O2. There are a number of papers discussing this, including one from early last century! One of these old papers also provided strong evidence to not over-soak the kernels, since this actually removes the soluble nutrients that the seeds need to germinate. I love this hobby because of the research aspect!

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Above is an image of cross sections of ungerminated corn, and kernels after different days of germination. The middle one was germinated until the rootlet was about one inch and the acrospires could be seen growing under the hull, but were short and did not exit the corn hull (~3 Days). The right kernel was allowed to germinate until the acrospires were about 1.5 inches long (~4-5 Days). The germinated samples had been dried prior to these pictures, and the rootlets and acrospires were removed. As described in the literature, the embryo is larger in the germinated kernels. It is important to note that even in the kernel with a long (1.5 inch) acrospire, there is plenty of starch left. I’ve found references in the peer reviewed literature which state that 3 inches is the ideal acrospires length for maximal corn amylase production. This is probably dependent upon the type/strain of corn. I plan on looking at a cross section of corn with 3 inch acrospires to see how much starch is left.

As any scientist would do, I tasted different parts of the germinated kernel. The acrospire was nasty! Very bitter and grassy (as has been mentioned here on HD, leaving the acrospires makes a grassy beverage). I’d personally not want this in the final product. I also removed the embryo and tasted that. It was a pleasant surprise, since I anticipated grassy bitterness. It was a little nutty, reminded me of unsalted sun flower seeds. Also, a very slight hint of sweet, which is expected since the amylases begin to hydrolyze some of the starch around the embryo into sugar, which is taken up by the embryo to energize development. I think this will add to the flavor of the product. The roots tasted as bad as the acrospires, grassy, maybe with nuances of dirt (which is odd since this was all germinated in a stainless steel pot). Finally, chewing on the endosperm starch from ungerminated kernels produced a gritty corn meal material that tasted like, well, corn meal. On the other hand, the Day 4 endosperm was quickly chewed into powder, which, upon longer chewing, tasted sweet (as expected, from amylase in saliva). All in all I think I’m ready to mash! The malted corn kernels were "kilned" via air drying in the dark as a shallow layer in a large tray, with a fan blowing over the surface. Took about three days, the end point was when the rootlets and asrospires were withered and easily broken off of the kernel.

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Also, there is an important observation stated on the parent site (by Ian Wisniewski: “By splitting a grain open with a fingernail, a small amount of the endosperm can be rubbed between the thumb and forefinger. If this leaves a fine white powder mark, it confirms that the starch (in the form of barley flour) is ready for kilning. A lack of white powder indicates the starch is still enclosed by cell walls and protein.”). The starchy part of the kernel in the untreated sample was very hard, while the starchy part of the germinated kernels could be crushed into a powder. The picture above is of material that I used my thumbnails to scrape and pulverize; the untreated remained essentially as big pieces of material, while I was able to turn the germinated corn starch into powder. This suggests to me that the malting process was relatively successful (at least according to the above quoted passage).

Next step, the mash! I plan on gristing the dried malted corn kernels (after sifting out the dried rootlets and acrospires) into a fairly fine powder. Although the embryo part of the kernel will not add to the carbohydrate component of the mash/ferment, the ground up embryo may add fats and other compounds that may serve as yeast nutrient or maybe add some character to the final product. More later!

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Bravo :clap: More, give us more.
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Very nice, Bob! Keep us posted on mash and fermentation. Also, let us know if you do any research with acrospires growing longer, up to 3", and whether you think that makes sense for a 100% corn malt whiskey.
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MichiganCornhusker wrote:Very nice, Bob! Keep us posted on mash and fermentation. Also, let us know if you do any research with acrospires growing longer, up to 3", and whether you think that makes sense for a 100% corn malt whiskey.
Oh, and how many virgins/gallon? :shifty:
When I find one around here I'll let you know!!!
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Nice post. Well done with the documentation. Pictures speak 1000 words!

Just did some barley I get from feed store to try it, turned out well. Small scale, did a lb at first. Then 10lb. I was going to start with corn, but had barley on hand. I'll be doing corn this summer so probably reference your info. Thanks for the write up!
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Did you build anything special to use as a sieve to remove the acrospires and rootlets? That's always been one of my concerns about trying this - that is, how to clean it up afterwards. Could you write a little bit more about that part of your process?

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S-Cackalacky wrote:Did you build anything special to use as a sieve to remove the acrospires and rootlets? That's always been one of my concerns about trying this - that is, how to clean it up afterwards. Could you write a little bit more about that part of your process?

Great write up BTW.
Thanks, S-Cackalacky.
No, I haven't made anything sophisticated or clever (yet!) to get rid of the dried acrospires or rootlets. I do make sure that they are so dry that they fall off when I simply rub them between my hands. When a handful of dried kernels are easily stripped of their roots/acrospires using a vigorous rub, I know the whole batch is ready. Although I steep and germinate them in a mesh bag, I transfer them to a pillow case to process the whole 5 lb batch. I lay the bag onto a solid, but not slippery surface (like a floor covered with a low pile carpet), and just vigorously rub the kernels around, between the palms of my hands and the floor. This is pretty effective, assuming they are dried enough. To remove the debris from the kernels, I use the technique (turns out other folks here use this same method) of pouring them between two large bowls with a fan blowing the junk out the garage (and folks, I've heard my wife exclaim "who made this mess" many times; and since my kids are grown and gone, I am usually the guilty party). Definitely open the garage door! I don't grist them until just before use, and I store then in a cloth bag. Kernels will adsorb moisture from the air, but only to a certain point, so I'm not too worried about long term storage. Heck, just basal level amylase activity may saccharinify some of the starch upon storage. This method will not work well if the acrospires are too short. They need to be long enough to project away from the kernel. Like 1-3 inches. If they are only the length of the kernel, there is no way this low tech method will work. Fortunately, I am fairly convinced that the highest diatase (old fashioned term!) activity is associated with these longer acrospires.

I was thinking of getting a used brass cleaner (the big vibrating bowl thing that gun enthusiasts use for cleaning brass casings). It may be too vigorous for malted kernels.

Hope this helps. Not too original.

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I've always sprouted corn the way I was taught 35+ years ago, and I ALWAYS lose 10-25% or more (just a guesstimate). Old timers just said the loss was part of it. But it really bites when the weather don't cooperate and you lose 2-3 weeks of work.

This way of sprouting/malting sounds a lot easier than the way I was taught. A lot less labor intensive.

Bobdoe, thanks for doing this.
I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread.

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SassyFrass wrote:I've always sprouted corn the way I was taught 35+ years ago, and I ALWAYS lose 10-25% or more (just a guesstimate). Old timers just said the loss was part of it. But it really bites when the weather don't cooperate and you lose 2-3 weeks of work.

This way of sprouting/malting sounds a lot easier than the way I was taught. A lot less labor intensive.

Bobdoe, thanks for doing this.
I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread.

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Hi SassyFrass- very welcome. I hope to give back to the community that has taught me so much! Yep, this is pretty hands-off, clean, efficient and was derived from a lot of reading new and old papers. And the weather has no impact at all (but remember my batches are small 5 lbs preparations).

I do all the steeping and germination in the same cheap stainless steel pot from Wally World
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Which I heat with this thing I saw at a pet store. Its a low output heating pad with one adhesive side that is used to stick to aquariums to heat up pet lizard enclosures. I simply stuck it onto the pot.
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To minimize the potential or mold, I never peek into the pot after the steep. Also, after the corn is briefly drained from the steep, I put this into the pot, upside down to form a little stand to keep the corn out of the fluid that drains out of the corn. Its a cover for reheating plates of food in the microwave. Cheap, Wallyworld again.
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The heating pad keeps it around 30 deg C, and the peroxide seems to help prevent mold. I've done this three times now to optimize things, and never a fuzzy mold nor pukey smell.

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Kilning (I guess it's more like "drying"!)

This what I described in the first post. The germinated corn is a shallow layer in a tray, which is covered with a box and a fan blows into a hole in one end, and exits out a slit in the other end. There is a decent flow of air out the slit and I think the inside of the box is very turbulent, lending to uniform drying. I stir the layer every 12 or so hours, and use no heat.
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Bobhoe, thanks for answering my question about removing the sprouts and rootlets. Based on your answer, I would assume they are somewhat lighter in weight than the kernels. Also, thanks for illustrating some of the drying process with pics - helps.

One last question - where do you get the peroxide you're using? Is there an online source? Do you have a mixing formula (i.e., amount of peroxide to a gallon of water)? Well, maybe more than one question.

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S-Cackalacky wrote:Bobhoe, thanks for answering my question about removing the sprouts and rootlets. Based on your answer, I would assume they are somewhat lighter in weight than the kernels. Also, thanks for illustrating some of the drying process with pics - helps.

One last question - where do you get the peroxide you're using? Is there an online source? Do you have a mixing formula (i.e., amount of peroxide to a gallon of water)? Well, maybe more than one question.

I'll definitely be bookmarking this thread.
Hey- My other interest is hydroponic gardening. I've spent the past three summers growing pumpkins and tomatoes under hydroponic conditions and everyone in hydroponics uses hydrogen peroxide for both sterilizing and oxygenating. It's commercially available at many hydroponic stores. I'll post some outside links tomorrow. Everyone needs to be careful with this stuff....it's like battery acid. It will burn or blind you if the concentrated stuff gets on you. But it's amazingly versatile. Both for its ability to kill microorganisms, and at the same time add oxygen. I have a paper from the early 1900's that recommended H2O2 as a treatment of corn prior to germination. I'll find it and post the link to that too.

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This is a lot of terrific info, Bob, thanks for posting.
I've had good luck malting corn with a couple rinse/drainings each day. Yours seems to be sprouting a little faster than mine, would that be from the H2O2?
My understanding of the overall malting process is that it is a balance between getting enough enzymes to convert starches and keeping enough starches to convert.
That is, starches are used up in the process that creates enzymes, so undermodified grains have low DP but lots of starch, overmodified grains would have great DP, but lower starch content. Is that correct?
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S-Cackalacky wrote:Sorry about misspelling your handle. Didn't mean to call you a hoe.
Hahaha I've been called much worse!!!

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MichiganCornhusker wrote:This is a lot of terrific info, Bob, thanks for posting.
I've had good luck malting corn with a couple rinse/drainings each day. Yours seems to be sprouting a little faster than mine, would that be from the H2O2?
My understanding of the overall malting process is that it is a balance between getting enough enzymes to convert starches and keeping enough starches to convert.
That is, starches are used up in the process that creates enzymes, so undermodified grains have low DP but lots of starch, overmodified grains would have great DP, but lower starch content. Is that correct?
Hey- I think you are correct with the DP vs starch so timing plus/minus a day will be important, but it's probably not worth stressing whether the acrospires are 1 vs 2 inch vs 3 inch. Especially since, in a batch of kernels, even if all treated the same, there will be a natural variation in rates of growth and I doubt anyone wants to spend time picking out the kernels with 1 inch from the 2 in acrospires. Just use that whole batch with an average of 1-2 inches and grist 'em all together.

I think that a low germination rate is a different question. I'm pretty sure its due to the rinse/drains. A dry seed is dormant because the nutrients are not able to diffuse around the kernel to be used by the cellular machinery required for germination. Add water and the nutrients can then diffuse around the seed, being used to turn on the seed's metabolism and growth. These are water soluble nutrients. Each rinse removes these important nutrients, leading to poor germination. The more they are soaked and rinsed, the worse the germination is. Even if rinsed a moderate amount, one may see an OK rate of germination, but not a robust one (slow acrospire growth). Good germination has two parameters: acrospire length and vigor (rate). Most research I've seen in papers basically wash the seeds in water or even soapy water, rinse quickly, steep 24 hrs in a minimum of water, then drain and germinate in the dark in 100% humidity.

Hope this helps!

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Bobdoe wrote:Each rinse removes these important nutrients, leading to poor germination. The more they are soaked and rinsed, the worse the germination is. Even if rinsed a moderate amount, one may see an OK rate of germination, but not a robust one (slow acrospire growth).
Ah, that's good to know. I've been soaking overnight, then draining and rinsing twice a day. I did the rinsing to keep the corn damp, rinse away anything that might start mold, and to keep the corn from "matting" or all growing together.
I get great germination, over 90%, but takes about 6 days to get 1-1/2" growth. The last time I did this I actually wondered if I was losing anything in the rinse water, like starches, so this is great to learn. Thanks.
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Bobdoe wrote:Each rinse removes these important nutrients, leading to poor germination. The more they are soaked and rinsed, the worse the germination is. Even if rinsed a moderate amount, one may see an OK rate of germination, but not a robust one (slow acrospire growth).
Ah, that's good to know. I've been soaking overnight, then draining and rinsing twice a day. I did the rinsing to keep the corn damp, rinse away anything that might start mold, and to keep the corn from "matting" or all growing together.
I get great germination, over 90%, but takes about 6 days to get 1-1/2" growth. The last time I did this I actually wondered if I was losing anything in the rinse water, like starches, so this is great to learn. Thanks.
Hey Cornhusker- I bet if you use some H2O2 any mold will probably be killed. Hard to rinse off those nasty little spores! Also, I don't mind if the kernels grow together into a big hairy (roots and acrospires) ball. I don't disturb the whole thing until ready to dry because if the roots and acropsores are ripped off too soon, its my understanding that the enzyme production stops.
I gotta work-related trip tomorrow til Wednesday, but then I'm starting the mash!

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Makes sense about not rinsing so much. The first barley I did, I only tested with a small amount, and rinsed/drained a few times a day as I was worried about infections. The second batch I did, 6lbs worth, I changed the water twice a day for two days only. I got far better germination, over 90%. The small batch that was rinsed more frequently, it was more like 75-80%.

I sure cant wait to try corn. It'll be interesting to taste an all malted corn. I've already done numerous unmalted corn (Booners) and really like that.
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I found the H2O2 on ebay. I did an ebay search using "hydrogen peroxide" as the search terms. They have quantities from pints to gallons. A quart seemed to be in the $20+ dollar range - not cheap, but not prohibitive either. Some of it was described as food grade - assuming that's what would be the best choice. Most of it was also diluted from 35% down to 17.5% for shipping reasons. Seems that at 35% it would need to be shipped as hazardous material.

Even though I'm very interested in trying Bobdoe's method, it's not something I'll be doing anytime soon. I have too many other things in the pipe. Just posting this up to point others to a source for the hydrogen peroxide. Hope it helps.

Bobdoe, do you have any info on the water to H2O2 ratio?
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Thanks, S-Cack, at 1% solution, that h2o2 would go a long ways. I'm going to get some ordered up.
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MichiganCornhusker wrote:Thanks, S-Cack, at 1% solution, that h2o2 would go a long ways. I'm going to get some ordered up.
After thinking about it, the calculator on the parent site for diluting alcohol should also work for doing the peroxide/water mix to 1%. MC, when you do this, please post back here and let us know how it worked for you.
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This info sure does help alot. The repeated rinsing cycle also explains something. I get corn from my local feed supplier. I get 11 lb bags for malting. Perfect amount for my use. I have always rinsed and soaked. A lot of rinsing. The other day I soaked some overnight, did NOT rinse. Straight in to my bag for malting. This has so far been the best as far as sprouting and it is sprouting more evenly. At first I was thinking damn this corn must be better. I no longer think that. I believe it's due to the fact of not rinsing, didn't wash away all the nutrients. I can say that what you said about the important nutrients is without a doubt a fact. Thanks for your research and thanks for sharing it.
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Regarding H2O2, I shoot for a 1% final concentration. This is high enough for disinfection and adding a little oxygen (H2O2 breaks down to water and O2), but not so high that it will inactivate the proteins and enzymes involved in the germination process. My calculation is this:

(Final desired concentration divided by the concentration of the concentrated peroxide) times the volume you want to make.

Example: You want a gallon of 1%, and your bought 17.5% (a gallon is about 3800 ml)

(1/17.5) x 3800 = 217 ml or a bit less than a cup.

I have 29% peroxide, so for a gallon I use:

(1/29) x 3800 = 131 ml or about 1/2 a cup.

A gallon in the pot I use will cover a 5 lb mesh bag of corn kernels. After a 24 hour soak, about half is adsorbed after a brief drain. Then, I cover and germinate!

I get my peroxide from a hydroponics store like this one:
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I honestly can't remember where I bought mine; a gallon of 29% has lasted me a while!

Friends, PLEASE be careful with the concentrated solution. It will burn you like battery acid. Very caustic! Ruined clothes are one thing, but getting it in your eye? Bad news. Keep it where your youngsters can't mess with it; treat it like the nasty stuff it is. Funny, once diluted its a medical miracle solution! And as a reminder, the 3% stuff in the drugstore has some sort of preservative in it. Since we can rinse our mouths with this 3% stuff the preservative must be safe, but I doubt we want it in our product. It may be OK, it may not.


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murdoch wrote:This info sure does help alot. The repeated rinsing cycle also explains something. I get corn from my local feed supplier. I get 11 lb bags for malting. Perfect amount for my use. I have always rinsed and soaked. A lot of rinsing. The other day I soaked some overnight, did NOT rinse. Straight in to my bag for malting. This has so far been the best as far as sprouting and it is sprouting more evenly. At first I was thinking damn this corn must be better. I no longer think that. I believe it's due to the fact of not rinsing, didn't wash away all the nutrients. I can say that what you said about the important nutrients is without a doubt a fact. Thanks for your research and thanks for sharing it.
Very nice, Murdoch. I'm glad this is working for you!

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If I hadn't read your post I would still be thinking it was the corn. I will start another batch tomorrow the same way. I have no doubt it will turn out the same.
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I think you can acquire peroxide at any automotive paint supply store and Automotive stores..i.e. Advance Auto,Autozone etc.. Prolly even a boating supply store. Do believe its used as a activator for body fillers, and fiberglass. I gotta go to Autozone tonight so I will check their shelf.
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Bump.

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Inner tube condenser http://tinyurl.com/zkp3ps6
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