Whiskey

[yakattack]

Putting down a ferment today.
55 lbs corn
55 lbs wheat
55 lbs barley
4 lbs honey malt
Enzimes for conversion.

Basic mash protocol. All fine cracked. Heat to 190 hold for 3 hours. Drop with aditional water to 150 ish add second enzimes. As well as half of honey malt.

Hold for 3 hours. Stirrup and add second set of honey malt. Allow to convert over night.

Pitching safale s-04.

Thoughts? Comments. Questions. Concerns


Yak

[bitter]

Sounds yummy!!!!!!

Think it needs some rye

B

[pfshine]

I agree with bitter on the rye. That being said sounds great as is. I'm guessing the mash will be between 56 to 84 gallons probably closer to 65-70 gal.

[yakattack]

Unfortunately I don't have any rye and won't make it to the mill for a few weeks. I'll be doing a straight rye as soon as sheds enzimes come in.

[bitter]

Mmm straight rye sounds good too.

I was looking at enzymes and seen this link refured to http://hamiltonhops.com/Beer%20Additives.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Wonder how close to sheds are they... worth buying.... I was thinking of giving it a try.

You should get a good haul from that grain bill!

B

[Swedish Pride]

Will you get much malt flavour out of 4 lbs of malt?
Or are you not bothered about the maltiness on this one?
Report back how you get on, those grains cost me next to nothing here at the feedstore

I just read up on honey malt, would normal malt plus honey added to it replicate the taste?

[yakattack]

I'm mashing in half of the honey malt after its cooled down hoping to retain some of the sweetness. When used for flavoring malt doesn't need to be dominant. As the liquid enzimes are gping to take care of conversion.

Is it enough? Guess we will find out.

Yak

[yakattack]

BTW SP. Is the apple wood from the same tree I wrote the mini eulogy for?

[rager]

my guess is you wont be able to pick up much of the honey malt. not trying to be negative but i use 2-3 pounds in a 6 gallon recipe

9 lbs of corn
3 of malted barely/oor malted wheat
2-3 honey malt

makes a nice drop

there is alot less grain in my recipe to the 160 pounds your using.


good luck

[yakattack]

my guess is you wont be able to pick up much of the honey malt. not trying to be negative but i use 2-3 pounds in a 6 gallon recipe

9 lbs of corn
3 of malted barely/oor malted wheat
2-3 honey malt

makes a nice drop

there is alot less grain in my recipe to the 160 pounds your using.


good luck

I am basing my assumption on some things that woodshed and jedneck said in a few different places. If not then oh well. But I am hoping that the subtle sweetness will come through. I may save a handful of the un crushed honey malt to add to the barrel for aging to try to induce a bit more flavor carry over if needed.

Yak

[Swedish Pride]

BTW SP. Is the apple wood from the same tree I wrote the mini eulogy for?

you're making a simple man feel stupid here, Eulogy, haven't got a clue what that is
oooh hang on, did you respond to my fallen tree post?
So eulogy is like an ode to a dead yoke?

I only had one apple tree so the same one

[yakattack]

Yes sorry may be using the wrong word lol. Sorry just thought of it last night so figured I'd ask. That's irony for ya

Yak

[Halfbaked]

I'm mashing in half of the honey malt after its cooled down hoping to retain some of the sweetness. When used for flavoring malt doesn't need to be dominant. As the liquid enzimes are gping to take care of conversion.

Is it enough? Guess we will find out.

Yak

It won't matter if it is enough or not. If it is not enough all he has to do is a honey malt mash and mix to suit his taste. personally I would not put the honey malt in at all. If it were me and had the right size fermenters I would ferment the dif grains in diff barrels and run separate and blend at the end after aging. If going to age on wood maybe age 1 in white oak 1 in French oak 1 in apple etc then blend so you can figure out what your taste is because you are making this for you. If you have enough maybe age in same grains in with diff woods. Maybe you could do a 55 lb red wheat or white wheat or oats or a couple diff malts as a single malt. I find my taste changes from day to day. I would only blend a bottle at a time to you taste and keep good records. You will pick out 3 or 4 or 5 diff recipe blends that work for your taste. You might find that you like strait wheat or corn better than anything. Keep some white. If you don't know what you like to drink this will help you help dial the perfect grain bill for you. Play and have fun doing it. Cheers.

[yakattack]

I've played with the grains and tried blending after. I honestly think that the taste is different when it's cooked together. Could be just me hut it's how I feel.

I don't know if the honey malt is going to do anything or not but I was hoping lol if the hb store was open today I'd probably go pic up another 10 lbs but alas it is not.


This will get blended and aged on once used white oak ( kentucky burban barrel staves. 6 months to a year. If it doesn't come out how I want it, I can easily make it into something else.

Yak

[Swedish Pride]

Did you run this one yet, did the honey malt come through?

[yakattack]

It's still fermenting. My basement is cool sp it's been a slow one. I under pitched my yeast too. Didn't make a big enough starter. It only had 2 percent alcohol available last time I checked. ( Sunday ) so it could be done. If so I'll be doing stripping runs tomorrow.

Yak

[Swedish Pride]

I hear ya, mine is just about stalled, eyeing up stainless aquaruim heaters now, good deal on em on ebay

Edit- Just got one, 12€ inc delivery for a 300w one, meant to be able to cope with 300l, a bit of head room there for my 100l fermenter.
Now for the hard part.... wait

[Brutal]

I would make a separate small mash with just the adjunct grain. Then strip the big mash, mix the low wines form that with the small one. Or else put it in the thumper.

You mashin' this all in one huge barrel or two?

[yakattack]

I had thought about it but with running on the risky low side of enzymes I wanted to make at least a little use of the malt.

Mashed in one barrel and then devided into 3. Just checked and they need another day or two. Was hoping to be able to strip them tomorrow. Guess not.

This may be the last run for my pot still as the flute project gets under way.

Yak

[yakattack]

Finished stripping runs. Did spirit run and blended today. Have 22 liters at 62 %. Another 12 litters added to feints for vodka run. Will add another 11 ish liters after aging at least 6 months to bottle (tank)at 40 %


At 45% it is smooth. Earthy. I will visit this once a month after getting on oak at 62% in a few days.

Yak.

[bitter]

NIce! basically fill a 5g barrel!

B

[pythonshine]

If it's anything like your vodka it will easily top my list of favorite LCBO swill!

[Swedish Pride]

22 liters !!!!
Facking hell man, I have not made that much to date, no chance of running low anytime soon.

I know its early but can you taste that small amount of malt in there?

[yakattack]

Ya bitter. Pretty close. By the time I oak it I'll lose a little and when cut to 40 I'll be adding 10 to 12 liters of water. But may just do it a bottle at a time. Allowing it to continue to mature on oak.

Pythonshine - it's really young. It will need time to really see where it is.

SP. Not yet but then again I didn't expect it to be a main flavour. Time will tell but as expected you guys were right in it needed to be highr prcent of the grain bill.

Yak

[pythonshine]

I bet that compared to LCBO even young it would probably be better. Thanks to this site I have pretty well stopped drinking likker from the store.

[Swedish Pride]

I'm the same, never really buy any more, think it's 6 months since I bought a bottle myself.
have 4 bottles with whiskey from the shops, always ask the missus for one at xmas and one at my bday, I prefer to drink my own stuff, not that it's better than the stuff in the shops yet, I just prefer to drink my own due to smoothness, and cheapness.
Also good to have store bought to share on the odd occasion we'd have people around the house.

[yakattack]

It is good. It's smooth but u made wider cuts because I'm oaking it. Very little heads but lots of early tails. It's earthy. Warm but no bite. I think the oak will work wonderfully. I may even add a few pieces of apple wood from sp as well just to give it a little more character.

Yak

[Swedish Pride]

I hear ya about the cuts, I've started to go deep in to the tails, as long as it tastes ok when going the cuts it goes in.
Tasting them young I almost get a bit of sourness from the amount of tails in there.

Have an experiment from the last AG piggubackrun I made to see how much tails you can get away with using
I took the first three tails jars that didn't make the cut and the latest headsjar ( to get it up to 50%) made up a liter, threw loads of oak and apple wood in it to see what happens.
It's labeled "Skunk" because the initial smell out of it
Now only two weeks later, the smell is all but gone, you can taste the heads in there for sure, and it's almost gone to far on the wood already, but since it's not nice yet and it's an experiment I'll leave it to see what happens.

[moered]

Is there any reason you held the conversion temp for 3 hours? seems a little excessive to me.

[yakattack]

That's basically what I did without the hail Mary jar. Anything that didn't make the cut gets run though he boka for vodka.