A Series of Firsts
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A Series of Firsts
Well, I finally got my GFCI breaker in the box and I have 240V in my garage. Wife thinks I’m nuts, but we were together for a good amount of time before we got married, so she should have known what she was getting in to.
The last "First" I posted was my first day without leaks. I put ferrules for a drain and a heating element onto a keg and finally didn't see water trickling out of it. Now that I have power, next up was a proof of concept water run. At full blast, the uninsulated keg took 12 gallons of cold water and started filling the garage with steam in just under 50 minutes. I let that run just steam for about 20 minutes while looking for leaks everywhere and then turned on the leibig to make sure all the steam would get knocked down. Worked like a champ. This was also good in letting me see how things went together.
Next up was my first vinegar/water run. I brought everything near a door and was able to position the spout outside and avoided filling the garage with vinegar steam. That worked too. Then the leibig did it’s thing and knocked that down well too. After the vinegar run, I rinsed/gently dried all the copper, the keg, the element, and the drain got a quick rinse too.
Ready for the sac run. I had some grain alcohol left from when I tried making a lemoncello a few years ago (it sucked), some of the lemoncello (I assume it still sucked, wasn't tasting it with what I know about gaskets now), and some cheap vodka that I watered down. Everything worked well. I knew the 20 gallon barrel of cooling water would be too small long term but it was nice to get a feel for how things could be laid out. Now there was a fully operational still in my garage.
For my first run, Still Stirrin had recommended I give Rad’s All Bran a try (I was all set to dive in with Honey Bear). This was great advice. The ingredients are cheap – if you are in the states you are probably near a Walmart and 9 bucks got me 25 pounds of sugar and a few more got me the box of bran flakes cereal. Actually putting this getting this mash going was a learning curve. I was going to let it ferment in the basement but the stove is upstairs. Until I was looking at a pot with 3 gallons of inverted sugar, I didn’t really have a concept of what moving that would be like. It was one of those “you can’t explain it, you have to live it” moments. No way was I taking that hot pot of sugar water for a walk down a flight of stairs. I ended up moving it in smaller batches by using a measuring cup to transfer it to another pot. Anyhow, just going over what the process was going to be was great experience for me. Also, I don’t think it took 30 minutes for the All Bran to take off. SG was 1.080.
After the All bran fermented, I learned I was not good with a siphon. The fermenter was too big for the home brew carboy sized siphon I have. I went with a scooping it up with a small container and running it through a funnel with a filter to get it into two carboys. The carboys were capped with airlocks and left in the garage to clear. FG was 0.998. I eventually got the chance to strip the All Bran. I upgraded the water supply to a 55 gallon barrel filled with cold water I pumped out of the pool.
The strip went well. I know I was leaving some on the table but I stripped down to 30%. Everything I stripped except for the 200 ml of fores I dumped fit in a 3 gallon carboy. At this point, I was convinced my soldering wasn’t leaking so I put two wraps of Reflectix around the keg, a double disk of Reflectix on the bottom, and cut another two Reflectix circles that can go on top. I put the All Bran low wines back in the still with a few gallons of water and heated it up slowly. I was able to dial in 3 drops/second with the heat controller. I did have some huffing though. The cooling water in the 55 gallon drum had formed an ice cap on it. I thought the water coming out would be hot enough to melt all the ice and warm up the reserves like it had in the stripping run. It didn’t really happen even when I reduced the flow of water through the leibig. The water was just too cold. Next time I run in these temperatures, I think I will try to remove 4 or 5 gallons of ice water and replace them with hot water. Anyhow it was a good lesson on the kind of stand I want to build for the keg, controlling the heat, collecting, and watching alcohol content.
I aired everything out made cuts and got 2 fifths of soothing I would call vodka-ish and almost another quart of 120 proof. The flavor of the vodka-ish is just OK. Definitely better than speed rack vodka and probably better than a few others but not as good as the higher end stuff. But it’s not supposed to be (and physically can’t be since it was just run through a pot still twice by a noob) so I’m not sure the comparison is really worth making. All in all, I’m happy with the spirit run. I learned a lot about the process, things I can take better notes on in the future and a little more time might help the vodka-ish out too.
The primary objective here is bourbon. On that path, the next first is my First UJSSM. In terms of fermenting and getting everything going, this went together easier than the All Bran. Experience helps. I’m going either need a better scale for measuring large quantities or I am going to have to start keeping things in 10 pound groups. The digital bathroom scale we have was a hassle. I think I shorted myself some sugar and I blame the scale. Anyhow the SG was 1.05. This also fermented well and has been stripped.
Gen 2 got stripped tonight. Water in the barrel was still cold but no ice, and no huffing either. The current plan is to strip Gens 1, 2 and 3 then combine them in a spirit run. I’ll practice making cuts on that and then make enough for 3 strips of Gen 4 for a Gen 4 only spirit run. I think it will be interesting to compare the two finished products both white and with some age/wood on them.
Hopefully I’ll be able to take this experience and move on to all grain. Looking forward to trying my hand at Honey Bear and Booner’s. So thanks everyone. As they said in the old don’t do drugs ad: “I learned it from watching YOU!”
The last "First" I posted was my first day without leaks. I put ferrules for a drain and a heating element onto a keg and finally didn't see water trickling out of it. Now that I have power, next up was a proof of concept water run. At full blast, the uninsulated keg took 12 gallons of cold water and started filling the garage with steam in just under 50 minutes. I let that run just steam for about 20 minutes while looking for leaks everywhere and then turned on the leibig to make sure all the steam would get knocked down. Worked like a champ. This was also good in letting me see how things went together.
Next up was my first vinegar/water run. I brought everything near a door and was able to position the spout outside and avoided filling the garage with vinegar steam. That worked too. Then the leibig did it’s thing and knocked that down well too. After the vinegar run, I rinsed/gently dried all the copper, the keg, the element, and the drain got a quick rinse too.
Ready for the sac run. I had some grain alcohol left from when I tried making a lemoncello a few years ago (it sucked), some of the lemoncello (I assume it still sucked, wasn't tasting it with what I know about gaskets now), and some cheap vodka that I watered down. Everything worked well. I knew the 20 gallon barrel of cooling water would be too small long term but it was nice to get a feel for how things could be laid out. Now there was a fully operational still in my garage.
For my first run, Still Stirrin had recommended I give Rad’s All Bran a try (I was all set to dive in with Honey Bear). This was great advice. The ingredients are cheap – if you are in the states you are probably near a Walmart and 9 bucks got me 25 pounds of sugar and a few more got me the box of bran flakes cereal. Actually putting this getting this mash going was a learning curve. I was going to let it ferment in the basement but the stove is upstairs. Until I was looking at a pot with 3 gallons of inverted sugar, I didn’t really have a concept of what moving that would be like. It was one of those “you can’t explain it, you have to live it” moments. No way was I taking that hot pot of sugar water for a walk down a flight of stairs. I ended up moving it in smaller batches by using a measuring cup to transfer it to another pot. Anyhow, just going over what the process was going to be was great experience for me. Also, I don’t think it took 30 minutes for the All Bran to take off. SG was 1.080.
After the All bran fermented, I learned I was not good with a siphon. The fermenter was too big for the home brew carboy sized siphon I have. I went with a scooping it up with a small container and running it through a funnel with a filter to get it into two carboys. The carboys were capped with airlocks and left in the garage to clear. FG was 0.998. I eventually got the chance to strip the All Bran. I upgraded the water supply to a 55 gallon barrel filled with cold water I pumped out of the pool.
The strip went well. I know I was leaving some on the table but I stripped down to 30%. Everything I stripped except for the 200 ml of fores I dumped fit in a 3 gallon carboy. At this point, I was convinced my soldering wasn’t leaking so I put two wraps of Reflectix around the keg, a double disk of Reflectix on the bottom, and cut another two Reflectix circles that can go on top. I put the All Bran low wines back in the still with a few gallons of water and heated it up slowly. I was able to dial in 3 drops/second with the heat controller. I did have some huffing though. The cooling water in the 55 gallon drum had formed an ice cap on it. I thought the water coming out would be hot enough to melt all the ice and warm up the reserves like it had in the stripping run. It didn’t really happen even when I reduced the flow of water through the leibig. The water was just too cold. Next time I run in these temperatures, I think I will try to remove 4 or 5 gallons of ice water and replace them with hot water. Anyhow it was a good lesson on the kind of stand I want to build for the keg, controlling the heat, collecting, and watching alcohol content.
I aired everything out made cuts and got 2 fifths of soothing I would call vodka-ish and almost another quart of 120 proof. The flavor of the vodka-ish is just OK. Definitely better than speed rack vodka and probably better than a few others but not as good as the higher end stuff. But it’s not supposed to be (and physically can’t be since it was just run through a pot still twice by a noob) so I’m not sure the comparison is really worth making. All in all, I’m happy with the spirit run. I learned a lot about the process, things I can take better notes on in the future and a little more time might help the vodka-ish out too.
The primary objective here is bourbon. On that path, the next first is my First UJSSM. In terms of fermenting and getting everything going, this went together easier than the All Bran. Experience helps. I’m going either need a better scale for measuring large quantities or I am going to have to start keeping things in 10 pound groups. The digital bathroom scale we have was a hassle. I think I shorted myself some sugar and I blame the scale. Anyhow the SG was 1.05. This also fermented well and has been stripped.
Gen 2 got stripped tonight. Water in the barrel was still cold but no ice, and no huffing either. The current plan is to strip Gens 1, 2 and 3 then combine them in a spirit run. I’ll practice making cuts on that and then make enough for 3 strips of Gen 4 for a Gen 4 only spirit run. I think it will be interesting to compare the two finished products both white and with some age/wood on them.
Hopefully I’ll be able to take this experience and move on to all grain. Looking forward to trying my hand at Honey Bear and Booner’s. So thanks everyone. As they said in the old don’t do drugs ad: “I learned it from watching YOU!”
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Re: A Series of Firsts
Fine presentation . You are well on your way with the approach you have taken .
I got dragged , kicking and screaming , into AG when I discovered enzymes .
Never looked back .
You will do well in this hobby , Pilgrim ; given your attitude and approach .
TB
I got dragged , kicking and screaming , into AG when I discovered enzymes .
Never looked back .
You will do well in this hobby , Pilgrim ; given your attitude and approach .
TB
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Re: A Series of Firsts
Thank you, TB. We can now add first leak to list. Went to go check the ph of Gen 2 before heading to bed. Saw a puddle on the floor. Somehow the brute holding the water bath sprung a leak. I managed to get it all cleaned up but I'm not sure how I am going to manage the temperature. I have a glass aquarium heater. Not sure I want to put it directly in the wash though. It's in the 70s and looked like it started up again. I'll look in the morning to see how it's going.
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Re: A Series of Firsts
Nice write up, FLOB. You will enjoy the AG journey and the myriad of fine spirits you will be capable of making. Hope the wife likes them too.
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Re: A Series of Firsts
It sounds like you are well on your way and have managed to avoid a heap of newbie traps along the way.
Congratulations
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Re: A Series of Firsts
I like that you're using those numbered collection jars, FLOB.
If they're for Kiwi's cut method, It's the best only way to make cuts.
... and I would've grunted like Tim Allen when flipping that 240vac breaker on.
Good write up.
If they're for Kiwi's cut method, It's the best only way to make cuts.
... and I would've grunted like Tim Allen when flipping that 240vac breaker on.
Good write up.
Re: A Series of Firsts
Thanks everyone. I seem to have recovered my my first leak. The yeast woke up and look active so Gen 3 is alive. Top temperature of the wash is about 70 instead of 80 though. I think it work. Glad I caught it when I did.
Re: A Series of Firsts
Here fixed it for you.
Obviously there are many different ways to do cuts. Kiwi's method is for novices who don't know how to do cuts/blends and breaks it down to fundamentals using many jars.If they're for Kiwi's cut method, It's the best only one way to make cuts.
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Re: A Series of Firsts
Point taken, cayars. It was a little levity on my part.
All those little numbered jars with cuts provide a unique situation when all your liquor components are separated.
Once mixed, you can never return to this point, so it's your time to shine! The cuts mature nicely after twenty-four hours of airing,
giving you a broader palette to work with. Now it's time to taste, judge, and blend.
Are there other methods of cuts with so much simple & effective control?
All those little numbered jars with cuts provide a unique situation when all your liquor components are separated.
Once mixed, you can never return to this point, so it's your time to shine! The cuts mature nicely after twenty-four hours of airing,
giving you a broader palette to work with. Now it's time to taste, judge, and blend.
Are there other methods of cuts with so much simple & effective control?
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Re: A Series of Firsts
I have no taste buds that function in the testing range . When making a run I can smell nail polish remover . That's the start .
Once past that , I put a finger in a jar and put it in on my tongue . If it burns the tongue tip ; I'm still in heads .
If it spreads across my tongue to the back , I am where I want to be .
When it begins smelling and tasting like dirty socks , I have gone far enough .
Too much heads and you get a headache . Too much tails and you get the shits .
Doesn't take many runs to tailor your drink to your tastes .
Once past that , I put a finger in a jar and put it in on my tongue . If it burns the tongue tip ; I'm still in heads .
If it spreads across my tongue to the back , I am where I want to be .
When it begins smelling and tasting like dirty socks , I have gone far enough .
Too much heads and you get a headache . Too much tails and you get the shits .
Doesn't take many runs to tailor your drink to your tastes .
If you ain't the lead dog in the team , the scenery never changes . Ga Flatwoods made my avatar and I want to thank him for that .
Don't drink water , fish fornicate in it .
Don't drink water , fish fornicate in it .
Re: A Series of Firsts
I do it the other way around. Blend, taste and judge. After all, it is the qualities of the final blend that are of the most interest to me, not so much the individual jars.
For flavored products, I'm not a fan of giving away a heap of my hard earned esters before choosing my final blend and trapping them in the aging vessel. The good things that happen over time when airing cut jars are going to happen in the aging vessels if you don't over fill them, so I let that that happen during aging.
Why it is a good idea to let Angels party up large on obvious hearts jars for several hours, or even days, I have no idea and I've never seen any science behind the notion explained anywhere.
I usually choose my cuts the next morning, but if I'm not going to be around the next day, I start choosing my final blend when I get a tailsy jar that I know is never going to make the cut. If I used small enough jars and let the early and late jars air 24 hours or longer, an extra jar from each end might get included in the blend, but I don't really need the extra that much and fine product can be made from heads and tails if you save them up and use them wisely.
For flavored products, I'm not a fan of giving away a heap of my hard earned esters before choosing my final blend and trapping them in the aging vessel. The good things that happen over time when airing cut jars are going to happen in the aging vessels if you don't over fill them, so I let that that happen during aging.
Why it is a good idea to let Angels party up large on obvious hearts jars for several hours, or even days, I have no idea and I've never seen any science behind the notion explained anywhere.
I usually choose my cuts the next morning, but if I'm not going to be around the next day, I start choosing my final blend when I get a tailsy jar that I know is never going to make the cut. If I used small enough jars and let the early and late jars air 24 hours or longer, an extra jar from each end might get included in the blend, but I don't really need the extra that much and fine product can be made from heads and tails if you save them up and use them wisely.
Re: A Series of Firsts
Since I respect your angle on this, NZChris, then I'll have to concede that cayars is correct
in saying "Kiwi's method is for novices who don't know how to do cuts/blends..."
Attaining the "Blend, taste and judge" level is still far away and untrustworthy for me,
so until I gain more experience, I'll be painting my liquor portraits one color at a time with
Kiwi's numbered cuts jars. How 'bout that? Paint by numbers!
in saying "Kiwi's method is for novices who don't know how to do cuts/blends..."
Attaining the "Blend, taste and judge" level is still far away and untrustworthy for me,
so until I gain more experience, I'll be painting my liquor portraits one color at a time with
Kiwi's numbered cuts jars. How 'bout that? Paint by numbers!
Re: A Series of Firsts
Kiwi's thread is called "Novice Guide for Cuts (Pot Still)" so Cayars is not saying anything new. The method is pretty much guaranteed to get a newbie a decent cut that won't need years of aging before it goes into the drinks cabinet.
Re: A Series of Firsts
Totally agree Chris, nothing new about that way of doing cuts. It's a good way to learn until you develop your own method.
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More than a decade working for NASA & FAA Tech with computer code used on Space Shuttles and some airline flight recorders.
More than a decade working for NASA & FAA Tech with computer code used on Space Shuttles and some airline flight recorders.
Re: A Series of Firsts
Well like so many things, something gets in the way and postpones your plans. I had 12 gallons of UJSSM ready to get stripped and then I somehow messed up my foot and had to wear one of those clunky boots. I managed to get the wash strained an stored in glass carboys with an air lock. Saved about a quart of the yeast bed in a mason jar and put it in the fridge in case it seemed worthwhile to add to a future generation. I was eventually able to strip Gen 3 which gave me a total of 9 gallons of UJSSM low wine.
So back to the point of this thread, a first: I finally got a chance to do my first UJSSM spirit run. It came out pretty good. You can definitely buy worse and I think it will improve with some age. I've aired out the glass jars being used for storage (mason jars with pfte lids). I plan to keep most of my center cut white for sipping. The rest will get aged with some pieces of barrel staves I picked up. Going to sand down a piece of a stave, cut it to size ant toast it a little before storing it.
Hope everyone is well and thanks for the help on this slower than expected journey.
So back to the point of this thread, a first: I finally got a chance to do my first UJSSM spirit run. It came out pretty good. You can definitely buy worse and I think it will improve with some age. I've aired out the glass jars being used for storage (mason jars with pfte lids). I plan to keep most of my center cut white for sipping. The rest will get aged with some pieces of barrel staves I picked up. Going to sand down a piece of a stave, cut it to size ant toast it a little before storing it.
Hope everyone is well and thanks for the help on this slower than expected journey.
Re: A Series of Firsts
My next first is a run of Booners. And again, this took me a while. I had started getting things together for some honey bear as my next try but the pandemic hit before I got the grain. So I had a 50 pound bag of corn meal and and about 25 pounds of tractor supply corn. Followed the directions and mixed enough for 3 stripping runs.
I see why mop wringers are popular. Managed to do my three stripping runs and then didn't have time for a long spirit run. Finally got around to it yesterday. It is airing out now before I make cuts.
One thing I noticed was my still huffing. I think the piping goes down too fast. Since I have been taking my sweet time with this hobby, I built the still head a few years ago. If I was just starting my reading now, this would be more modular. Might move that way. Anyhow, I tried reducing the flow through the leibig and the water coming out of it was in the mid 80s. Water at the top of the barrel stayed in the 70s. Not sure about at the bottom where the pump was.
That got rid of the huffing sound, but I could still feel the puffs of air coming out of the leibig. Puffs were at a constant rate. Not sure it ever goes away with how my pipes reduce.
Few watered down sips I took were decent. Hopefully it improves with time. Got the UJSSM I made aging. Coming up on 6 months but I taste every 3-4 weeks. Definitely improving with time.
Here's a pic of the pot still.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202010 ... 07e99c.jpg[/IMG]
I see why mop wringers are popular. Managed to do my three stripping runs and then didn't have time for a long spirit run. Finally got around to it yesterday. It is airing out now before I make cuts.
One thing I noticed was my still huffing. I think the piping goes down too fast. Since I have been taking my sweet time with this hobby, I built the still head a few years ago. If I was just starting my reading now, this would be more modular. Might move that way. Anyhow, I tried reducing the flow through the leibig and the water coming out of it was in the mid 80s. Water at the top of the barrel stayed in the 70s. Not sure about at the bottom where the pump was.
That got rid of the huffing sound, but I could still feel the puffs of air coming out of the leibig. Puffs were at a constant rate. Not sure it ever goes away with how my pipes reduce.
Few watered down sips I took were decent. Hopefully it improves with time. Got the UJSSM I made aging. Coming up on 6 months but I taste every 3-4 weeks. Definitely improving with time.
Here's a pic of the pot still.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202010 ... 07e99c.jpg[/IMG]