Corona virus etc. and handwash.

[MyUncleMo]

our local distilleries are making hand san - Bellewood Acres makes the BEST honey crisp Vodka - now hand San.
Glass distillery is also making hand san!!
We made a batch with ISO and Aloe from the indoor garden - with tea tree oil added.
One company wa selling $8 hand san with their logo on it and got CLOWNED!
-m

[The Baker]

'CLOWNED' ?

Might be an Americanism?

Geoff

[Durhommer]

Thousands die of the flu every year and there is a shot offered that might work....reminds me of an anchorman line 60%of the time it works every time

[cranky]

Yesterday at work I was able to change my answer to damned if you don't, which means reduced hours but I will still be working.

I also got my "Critical Infrastructure Exempt Worker Certificate" which I mentioned a couple days ago. This is the document that will let me pass should we go into full lock down.

[TDick]

24 hour curfew just put in place except for "essentials".

On the plus side, I postponed my colonoscopy.

[Durhommer]

People like us that can stay home from work should be loving this nothing but devoted stilling time pandoras box have us

[TDick]

People like us that can stay home from work should be loving this..

So you are NOT married?

[Durhommer]

I know how that goes sometimes mine is a great gift giver tho so her honey do shiz kinda pays off for everyone

[shadylane]

Jeff Dunham

[Odin]

Our idiot Dutch government, in all her wisdom, decided to strictly enforce WHO-formula and monopolize distribution on hand-sanitizer to first line / first responder care givers (hospitals, doctors, that kinda stuff). "Strictly" as in it needs to have 0.125% hydrogen peroxide and if it does not, well, then you are in violation. This means we have to make sure the hydrogen peroxide, on a liter, is between 0.001245 and 0.001254. I told them this is impossible. I also told them we love to distribute to first responders, but won't exclude second line or even just worried citizens that show up. That meant I was now in double violation and about to face counter-measures. "If you don't like the rules, talk to the minister!" they said. So that's what I am doing. I wrote new legislation that allows for a wider range, that actually makes the production of hand-sanitizer possible. Let's see if the politicians follow-up. As for now, all distillers in the Netherlands better close shop on hand-sanitizers.

Odin.

[NZChris]

I've got hand sanitizer that probably does meet those specs, but in NZ there is no legal way for me to give it away to my friends and relations, let alone sell it, plus my bottle supplier didn't fill my order, so I might as well give up and put it into gin.

[The Baker]

Good luck with that,Odin!

Geoff

[goose eye]

Odin welcome to bootleggin.

Ain't sure how y'all courts is but if you is tryed by your peers you reckon you gonna get convicted?


y'all got a good Samaritan law? Course money can't be involved.

So I'm tole

[bilgriss]

There's a lot of irony in the world at the moment, and I feel very privileged to be able to have the time to see it and the ability to recognize it. Any further expansion on this thought would almost hopelessly be political leaning, so I'll stop right there.

I've been home a couple of weeks with one supply run yesterday. We're by no means preppers, but I've never understood not stocking what you need at home to get by. I've never understood the television comedies that revolve around the plot line of running out of toilet paper. I think, 'who the hell lets their toilet paper all get used up without replacing it?' That's not a judgement, it's just how I am. I keep supplies, dried foods and such stocked up when I see them on sale; it saves money even when there's no issue. But I know that's not necessarily how those around me operate. I was struck by what is and isn't in the grocery when I made the supply run.

Fresh vegetables and refrigerated goods - fully stocked like there's no problem. Diabetic supplies, gluten free, any kind of special interest, world cuisine, no problem. Beverages of all kinds, no problem.

Frozen pizza, eggs, toilet paper, sugar. Nada. The world is ending and people are afraid of pooping in a manner inconsistent with normalcy.

You can tell it isn't snowing. There was plenty of bread and milk.

[Odin]

Odin welcome to bootleggin.

Ain't sure how y'all courts is but if you is tryed by your peers you reckon you gonna get convicted?


y'all got a good Samaritan law? Course money can't be involved.

So I'm tole

It's being discussed on a national level as we speak. The new rules I proposed. Let's see what happens. If anything at all.

Weird thing is that two or three really big companies that do the same aren't hassled.

Odin.

[goose eye]

Ain't always easy doin the right thang the law be damned

So I'm tole

[Odin]

National Safety Coordinator is now looking into it.

[HDNB]

in Canada they are "fast tracking applications and offering a step-by-step guide to applying and getting licensing." they waived the formula and lab testing approval...they are working hard (for a shocking, amazing change in governance) and helping people help people.

of course, the whole problem of where to find bottles and toppers to actually sell it in, in anything but a fifth bottle is proving difficult for most would be good intentioned craft guys. plus glycerin and H2O2 is in short supply too.

the big booze people are coming on line as we speak and will have product out in a few days so the shortage will be over.

those with money will make more money and those good intentioned guys can help out some friends on the down low...but for a small operator to come on line with all of the administration impediments and supply chain issues and hope to make a buck...well i think their good intentions will be laid down in the pavement, on the road to hell. This thing will be all over before they get their guns loaded.

always remember that no good deed goes unpunished

[VLAGAVULVIN]

Ain't always easy doin the right thang the law be damned

So I'm tole

Gonna make a T-shirt with one of your "citations", man.

Just tell me please, why do you add that "tole" every time?

Not a bore, just wondering

[jedneck]

Ain't always easy doin the right thang the law be damned

So I'm tole

Gonna make a T-shirt with one of your "citations", man.

Just tell me please, why do you add that "tole" every time?

Not a bore, just wondering

Plausible denyability I believe

[bubba]

re: the mix .. wht is the glycerin for ? just to sooth the hands ? the peroxide is to kill bacteria [ hard to imagine any bacteria in 70%abv.. ]
search Anti Viral herbs .. infuse ..

Test-tube studies demonstrate that licorice root extract is effective against HIV, RSV, herpes viruses, and severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS-CoV),
Oregano , Sage ,Basil , Fennel ,Garlic ,Lemon Balm,Peppermint ,Rosemary ,Echinacea ,Sambucus [elderberry],Astragalus ,Ginger ,Ginseng ,Dandelion ..........

oil mixes with alcohol .. i have castor oil on hand, ginger root on hand , now my plan is to run my washes [ a good safe place the still room , all that hot copper] cut to 70% ABV , grate ginger in to infuse , add the 4 oz castor oil , the 2 oz of garlic essence , put it in flasks .. rub it on my hands or drink it whichever seems right. ..

[HDNB]

re: the mix .. wht is the glycerin for ? just to sooth the hands ? the peroxide is to kill bacteria

the peroxide disposes of the bodies the alcohol kills, it's caustic. the glycerin is a humectant that smoothes and keeps water in the skin.

[ydoih8u]

Yeah I've been working long days/nights at the brewery/distillery I work at making hand sanitizer from old ass beer. They don't use the still very often though... and when I started running it I quickly realized it had some issues with the way it's plumbed etc... so a bit of facepalming... but at least we get to practice on it and fix these things while pumping out 'crap' product for hand sanitizer.

[The Baker]

Finally worked out your handle.

Best.

Geoff

[VLAGAVULVIN]

You guys may use all your rotten tomatoes against me but... the more I analyze — the more I realize that while the entire world is sitting at home and shitting bricks, someone is buying shares up "fo dolla", so the big property is being redistributed on full swing now. Ingenious scammers, time and again, in their spiral development. Now they use the WHO as their puppet, they use the media, the interwebs and so forth... so, everyone buys paper now: the most of us buy rolls of TP, the rest get some assets. So, I'm tole )))

Garlic? Someone said "garlic" here in the thread, right? Great, but no need to rub the hands: let's better "lubricate" ourselves by its thiols from the inside. That's killing for the most of viral stuff when it "faces" the thioesters on our mucous membranes. I.e. long before the virus comes thru. But still we need the transport system. This formula is many centuries old... one big head of fresh garlic (smashed to kasha), one teaspoonfull of any hot pepper, one huge table spoon of honey — for 500ml of vodka (or anything that has 40%AbV at least). Get 50-100 ml of that crazy borsht per-orally in the evening and go to bed. If you feel like a breathing dragon in your morning then it works. Don't forget vitamins, fresh air activities and all that common immunology status things. The immunity does not consist only of post-desease virus-specific antibodies. Being infected, even twins will get along with it in absolutely different ways if one of them is a triathlete and another is just a network nerd. The health can not buy — no one will sell... it's not a matter of one day to make and keep it stronger. As well as state of mind. Cheers.

[thecroweater]

Shit just got real, looks like my aunty might have this.

Update here, yep she tested positive and has come down crook, she is at home with my uncle at this stage so I am keeping my fingers crossed for him as he has diabetes, a bit of a heart issue and is over 70 so ticking all the wrong boxes.

[NZChris]

My fingers are crossed for them, Crow.

[Yummyrum]

Wishing them the best Crow .
Maybe they might have some luck like the Kiwis . No one has died in NZ and surprisingly the oldies are doing better than the middle aged symptom wise . All that have got it have survived .(This passed on to me by my parents in their 80s .) .... LOL ... they watch the news .

[The Baker]

Best wishes.

Geoff

[cayars]

Our idiot Dutch government, in all her wisdom, decided to strictly enforce WHO-formula and monopolize distribution on hand-sanitizer to first line / first responder care givers (hospitals, doctors, that kinda stuff). "Strictly" as in it needs to have 0.125% hydrogen peroxide and if it does not, well, then you are in violation. This means we have to make sure the hydrogen peroxide, on a liter, is between 0.001245 and 0.001254. I told them this is impossible. I also told them we love to distribute to first responders, but won't exclude second line or even just worried citizens that show up. That meant I was now in double violation and about to face counter-measures. "If you don't like the rules, talk to the minister!" they said. So that's what I am doing. I wrote new legislation that allows for a wider range, that actually makes the production of hand-sanitizer possible. Let's see if the politicians follow-up. As for now, all distillers in the Netherlands better close shop on hand-sanitizers.

Odin.

Odin, you are reading the who formula incorrectly.

This is a good thing because the hydrogen peroxide as well as specific level of humectant (ie Glycerol) is important to the sanitizer working correctly against reference sanitizers.

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_ ... uction.pdf

FORMULATION 1 for a 10 liter batch
Ethanol 96%: 8333 ml (edit: should be denatured if possible, but not required by WHO)
Hydrogen peroxide 3%: 417 ml
Glycerol 98%: 145 ml
Sterile Water 1105 ml approximately (top off to 10 liter mark)

417 mL of 3% Hydrogen peroxide = 125.1 mL. Divide that by 1000 to get % by liter and it's 0.1251 per liter or (v/v)

That will create:
Final concentrations:
• Ethanol 80% (v/v),
• Glycerol 1.45% (v/v),
• Hydrogen peroxide 0.125% (v/v)

After bottling these bottles are kept in quarantine for 72 hours before use to give the hydrogen peroxide time to work.
They recommend 80% by volume using ethanol as this is what it takes to be as effective as the normal reference 60% using isopropanol (plus other ingredients).

In the USA denatured ethanol is a requirement and DSP are given 3 ways to achieve this:
To every 100 gallons of Ethanol add:
1. One pound of sucrose octaacetate and 1⁄8 gallon of tert-butyl alcohol.
or
2. One-sixteenth avoirdupois ounce of denatonium benzoate, N.F., and 1⁄8 gallon of tert-butyl alcohol.
or
3. Five gallons of isopropyl alcohol.

USA DSPs have 8 steps they must do including registering with the FDA for both company and product and must label all containers with specific labels.

For non USA DSP they should follow their country standards or the WHO: https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_ ... uction.pdf
USA DSP must follow instructions here: https://www.fda.gov/media/136118/download

So to mix up a 100 liter batch which would likely be a more common size a small/micro distillery would make:
Ethanol 96%: 83.330 l (edit: should be denatured if possible, but not required by WHO)
Hydrogen peroxide 3%: 4170 ml
Glycerol 98%: 1450 ml
Sterile Water 11.050 l approximately (top off to 10 liter mark)
Bottle then quarantine for 72 hours before use

If using different % of Hydrogen peroxide or different ABV % then you have to change the amounts of products used to hit these levels properly. It's important to produce this correctly or the product is not as effective as it needs to be. Without the proper ratios the alcohol will evaporate to quickly and not be worked into the hands and have the proper contact time.