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shadylane wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:14 pm
Stonecutter wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:57 pm
The law of diminishing returns, is it really worth the price compared to lava rock or marbles?
Too expensive to simply buy to test it out.
Lava rock, marbles, SS mesh and my favorite ceramic aquarium rings.
SPP and the other store-bought packings are more efficient per height.
But cost so much it's cheaper to just make your column taller.
Curious, is that 1/2" ceramic aquarium rings for your 4"? I tried it in my 3" and it absolutely sucked. It was the worst packing I've ever tried. I figured it should be more appropriate for a 4" column.
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Here's when I started using the ceramic aquarium rings.

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shadylane wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:53 pm Here's when I started using the ceramic aquarium rings.

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That link is what made me decide to use Siporax in my 4"
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Windy City wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:34 am
shadylane wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:53 pm Here's when I started using the ceramic aquarium rings.

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That link is what made me decide to use Siporax in my 4"

How hard are you able to drive your 4" Windy?
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Hey Larry
I start off running at 34 amps but will work up through the run to about 40 amps.
I am producing 8.75 liters or 2.3 gals of 95.1 to 95.4 % per hour
I would like to build a side column with pumped reflux from bottom of column two to the top of column one. I don't have the ceiling height to go any taller on the existing set up.
I was actually going to PM you to ask if you have done or sell the equipment for side column pumped reflux
Consider this the PM :D
Was also thinking maybe a side column could be your answer.
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Here is the Aquacity I used and Siporax that Windy city used.
I think Siporax looks like it would work better.
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Windy City wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:56 am Hey Larry
I start off running at 34 amps but will work up through the run to about 40 amps.
I am producing 8.75 liters or 2.3 gals of 95.1 to 95.4 % per hour
I would like to build a side column with pumped reflux from bottom of column two to the top of column one. I don't have the ceiling height to go any taller on the existing set up.
I was actually going to PM you to ask if you have done or sell the equipment for side column pumped reflux
Consider this the PM :D
Was also thinking maybe a side column could be your answer.
Whats the voltage?
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Ben wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:34 am
Windy City wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:56 am Hey Larry
I start off running at 34 amps but will work up through the run to about 40 amps.
I am producing 8.75 liters or 2.3 gals of 95.1 to 95.4 % per hour
I would like to build a side column with pumped reflux from bottom of column two to the top of column one. I don't have the ceiling height to go any taller on the existing set up.
I was actually going to PM you to ask if you have done or sell the equipment for side column pumped reflux
Consider this the PM :D
Was also thinking maybe a side column could be your answer.
Whats the voltage?
240 volt single phase
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Windy City wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:56 am
I start off running at 34 amps but will work up through the run to about 40 amps.
I am producing 8.75 liters or 2.3 gals of 95.1 to 95.4 % per hour
Your packing is definitely better than mine.
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Windy City wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:34 am
shadylane wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:53 pm Here's when I started using the ceramic aquarium rings.

viewtopic.php?t=77413
That link is what made me decide to use Siporax in my 4"
Yo Windy City, you still using 15mm x 15mm?
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Stonecutter wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:01 pm
Windy City wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:34 am
shadylane wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:53 pm Here's when I started using the ceramic aquarium rings.

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That link is what made me decide to use Siporax in my 4"
Yo Windy City, you still using 15mm x 15mm?
Yes, still using it
Just made a bunch of Shady’s Sugar Shine
Came out like water
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shadylane wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:38 am Here is the Aquacity I used and Siporax that Windy city used.
I think Siporax looks like it would work better.
From memory the early T500's made by Still Spirits where using a similar thing years ago.....might be why they could pull 92%-93% with such a short column.
Windy City wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:31 pm Just made a bunch of Shady’s Sugar Shine
Came out like water
Aint that recipe the bee's knee's......if ya like real neutral ,neutral, its the one to use IMO. :thumbup:
Makes a real nice base for Gin too.
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Give the credit for using boiled yeast for nutrients to PUGIDOGS :thumbup:
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Link here to ceramic and stainless possibilities.
https://en.acichemshun.cn/product/19/?g ... XAQAvD_BwE
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Thanks Bill.
I just pinged them to inquire about an MOQ.
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Their 16x16mm Metal Pall Rings would be about right for a 4" column.
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Heck ya. With 95% open space and those punch outs in the side, you could throw a lot of power at that without any worry of flooding. I’ll bet the minimum volume purchase would be too big for my needs. Larry, if you don’t mind sharing what you learn about the minimum purchase size and pricing, I’d appreciate it. For the right price, I’d ditch my rocks. Otis
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OtisT wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:43 am Heck ya. With 95% open space and those punch outs in the side, you could throw a lot of power at that without any worry of flooding. I’ll bet the minimum volume purchase would be too big for my needs. Larry, if you don’t mind sharing what you learn about the minimum purchase size and pricing, I’d appreciate it. For the right price, I’d ditch my rocks. Otis
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Yup I am curious to see what you find out about price and availability as well Larry, do let us know what you find out

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LWTCS wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:20 am
How hard are you able to drive your 4" Windy?
Windy City wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:56 am Hey Larry
I start off running at 34 amps but will work up through the run to about 40 amps, 240 volts single phase
I am producing 8.75 liters or 2.3 gals of 95.1 to 95.4 % per hour
I would like to build a side column with pumped reflux from bottom of column two to the top of column one. I don't have the ceiling height to go any taller on the existing set up.
I was actually going to PM you to ask if you have done or sell the equipment for side column pumped reflux
Consider this the PM :D
Was also thinking maybe a side column could be your answer.
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LWTCS wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:19 pm Thanks Bill.
I just pinged them to inquire about an MOQ.
Still no response.
They musty not check their website email?
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Ok a response.
They do a 13 mm.
MOQ is 5m3
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LWTCS wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:15 am Ok a response.
They do a 13 mm.
MOQ is 5m3
5 cubic metres .
Is that something that SD is willing to take on ?
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Its a lot.
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Windy City wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:31 pm0
Just made a bunch of Shady’s Sugar Shine
Came out like water
what happened to the alcohol?
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squigglefunk wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:04 am
Windy City wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:31 pm0
Just made a bunch of Shady’s Sugar Shine
Came out like water
what happened to the alcohol?
Ok
Let me restate that

95.4% ABV water
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Proofed to 40% ABV / 80 proof
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LWTCS wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:23 amIts a lot.
Sounds like it’s not likely. :( Thanks for checking Larry.
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OtisT wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:33 am
LWTCS wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:23 amIts a lot.
Sounds like it’s not likely. :( Thanks for checking Larry.
Well I'm just researching solutions for a customer.
Typically I wouldn't get involved with column packing beyond actual plates.
If there was enough interest then perhaps it would be more doable?
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Ask to purchase a smaller sample for testing purposes Larry.....nothing lost if they say no.
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If it works out I will be interested in enough to fill my 8 sections of 4" glass to replace my 6mm ceramic rings, they work fine but add a lot of weight to the column.
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