Agitation of wash

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Hi all

Has anyone got opinions on using air to agitate your wash whilst your still is heating up .

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On youtube you can find a channel called "one piece at a time distilling" - he is a fountain of useful information as he is a professional distiller but he also talks home distilling related things.
He partnered with some local American manufacturer to create the submarine vessel boiler - it connects to a air compressor to agitate your wash the entire time so that you can distill on grain. The shape is important though, you cant do this with a normal round vessel.
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Golly wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:39 pm On youtube you can find a channel called "one piece at a time distilling" - he is a fountain of useful information as he is a professional distiller but he also talks home distilling related things.
He partnered with some local American manufacturer to create the submarine vessel boiler - it connects to a air compressor to agitate your wash the entire time so that you can distill on grain. The shape is important though, you cant do this with a normal round vessel.
"The shape is important though, you cant do this with a normal round vessel."
How does the shape of the boiler effect compressed air from moving the mash. Square corners can slow it down but a injector design could elevate flaw in boiler shape.

I believe this has promise if your doing thick mashes. Some feel it might be explosive,if you feel that way add co2 to the compressor inlet.

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Interesting stuff fir sure and I can go 100% co2 but I am not too worried about explosions as I figure you only need let it roll until it heats to 80* or so.

Thanks guys I will let you all know

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With the right compressor you can also use it to age by compression and vacuum.
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Do you guys actually prefer fermenting and stripping on the grain? That would seem to be the #1 reason to need agitation during stripping. I don't do a lot of all grain mashes, but from what I've read, most prefer to ferment off the grain. They say they prefer doing it that way due to the flavor of the end product. It makes me curious if this 'agitation of mash' is primarily for convenience or specifically a preference of the flavor of the end product?
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Golly wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:39 pm On youtube you can find a channel called "one piece at a time distilling" - he is a fountain of useful information as he is a professional distiller but he also talks home distilling related things.
He partnered with some local American manufacturer to create the submarine vessel boiler - it connects to a air compressor to agitate your wash the entire time so that you can distill on grain. The shape is important though, you cant do this with a normal round vessel.
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Salt Must Flow wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:35 am Do you guys actually prefer fermenting and stripping on the grain? That would seem to be the #1 reason to need agitation during stripping. I don't do a lot of all grain mashes, but from what I've read, most prefer to ferment off the grain. They say they prefer doing it that way due to the flavor of the end product. It makes me curious if this 'agitation of mash' is primarily for convenience or specifically a preference of the flavor of the end product?
I ferment on grain and distill off grain scorch once and you will not want to roll the dice again. If I upgrade to a steam or jacketed rig I will revisit my protocol
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Using steam seams much easier and quieter. I would hate to listen to my compressor the entire time I was stripping.
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I use my little steam jacket but don't bother stirring, maybe it makes sense for large batches.
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LWTCS wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:57 pm
Golly wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:39 pm On youtube you can find a channel called "one piece at a time distilling" - he is a fountain of useful information as he is a professional distiller but he also talks home distilling related things.
He partnered with some local American manufacturer to create the submarine vessel boiler - it connects to a air compressor to agitate your wash the entire time so that you can distill on grain. The shape is important though, you cant do this with a normal round vessel.
Allan Bishop.
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Funny this thread came up. I’ve literally been watching his videos none stop for 5 hours.

I know Ozark Stills deph “the shocker” was recently posted and there were questions about its efficacy. But these guys are making some pretty wicked stuff. And it’s Purdy.

Here’s one of the videos. 1.075OG Rye Mash. Literally a dime size scorch and due to user error.

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subbrew wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:19 pm Using steam seams much easier and quieter. I would hate to listen to my compressor the entire time I was stripping.
But if it’s boiling the agitation is there and wouldn’t need to keep running the air no? 🤷‍♂️
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workpress wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 1:06 pm

Has anyone got opinions on using air to agitate your wash whilst your still is heating up .
Sounds like it would work during heat up when it's needed most.
After that, the air might cool the wash.
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WaterTechnics wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:26 pm
subbrew wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:19 pm Using steam seams much easier and quieter. I would hate to listen to my compressor the entire time I was stripping.
But if it’s boiling the agitation is there and wouldn’t need to keep running the air no? 🤷‍♂️
Did you watch the video? He says once it starts boiling the air wasn't needed.
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shadylane wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:34 pm
workpress wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 1:06 pm

Has anyone got opinions on using air to agitate your wash whilst your still is heating up .
Sounds like it would work during heat up when it's needed most.
After that, the air might cool the wash.
Using air after heat-up wasn't the point of using air at all.
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subbrew wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:19 pm Using steam seams much easier and quieter. I would hate to listen to my compressor the entire time I was stripping.
If that guy was smart, he'd put the compressor outside and only run the air line indoors. A lot of people build an insulated box to keep their air compressor more silent outdoors.
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WaterTechnics wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:24 pm
LWTCS wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:57 pm
Golly wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:39 pm On youtube you can find a channel called "one piece at a time distilling" - he is a fountain of useful information as he is a professional distiller but he also talks home distilling related things.
He partnered with some local American manufacturer to create the submarine vessel boiler - it connects to a air compressor to agitate your wash the entire time so that you can distill on grain. The shape is important though, you cant do this with a normal round vessel.
Allan Bishop.
The dude is legit.
+1
Funny this thread came up. I’ve literally been watching his videos none stop for 5 hours.

I know Ozark Stills deph “the shocker” was recently posted and there were questions about its efficacy. But these guys are making some pretty wicked stuff. And it’s Purdy.

Here’s one of the videos. 1.075OG Rye Mash. Literally a dime size scorch and due to user error.


He also has a pod cast. And his guest list is impressive. Plenty of heavy hitters on his show.

Not sure how many platforms carry it but it is on Spotify.
The gin segment with Fernando Plata goes way esoteric.
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Salt Must Flow wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:54 pm
WaterTechnics wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:26 pm
subbrew wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:19 pm Using steam seams much easier and quieter. I would hate to listen to my compressor the entire time I was stripping.
But if it’s boiling the agitation is there and wouldn’t need to keep running the air no? 🤷‍♂️
Did you watch the video? He says once it starts boiling the air wasn't needed.
Nope, I only posted it 😉🤣 jk Salt. I did watch it along with many others. My response to subbrew was rhetorical.
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Salt Must Flow wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:01 pm
subbrew wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:19 pm Using steam seams much easier and quieter. I would hate to listen to my compressor the entire time I was stripping.
If that guy was smart, he'd put the compressor outside and only run the air line indoors. A lot of people build an insulated box to keep their air compressor more silent outdoors.
Yeah was confused by that when you can see 25’ of coiled hose
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LWTCS wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:48 am
WaterTechnics wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:24 pm
LWTCS wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:57 pm
Golly wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:39 pm On youtube you can find a channel called "one piece at a time distilling" - he is a fountain of useful information as he is a professional distiller but he also talks home distilling related things.
He partnered with some local American manufacturer to create the submarine vessel boiler - it connects to a air compressor to agitate your wash the entire time so that you can distill on grain. The shape is important though, you cant do this with a normal round vessel.
Allan Bishop.
The dude is legit.
+1
Funny this thread came up. I’ve literally been watching his videos none stop for 5 hours.

I know Ozark Stills deph “the shocker” was recently posted and there were questions about its efficacy. But these guys are making some pretty wicked stuff. And it’s Purdy.

Here’s one of the videos. 1.075OG Rye Mash. Literally a dime size scorch and due to user error.


He also has a pod cast. And his guest list is impressive. Plenty of heavy hitters on his show.

Not sure how many platforms carry it but it is on Spotify.
The gin segment with Fernando Plata goes way esoteric.
The interview with Jesse on the Chase the Craft podcast was 2 and a half hours!! and got me following Allan and the Distillers talk podcast on Google podcasts :thumbup:
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