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3/4" Copper Spherical Coil Sourcing Help

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I have spent an unhealthy amount of time trying to source one of these, I am being a picky bastard, and maybe I'm using the wrong search terms but all I can find are custom fab shops.

I would like a single 3/4" hard copper coil ~10+ feet long spiraled with a max outside diameter of 8".

There are counter flow chillers from the beer industry that have minimum distortion at this radius with larger then 3/4".
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Youtube examples:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hT4Uv8LKMRM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrJP3JB ... l=treblmup

I'm not overly confident I can make this myself, there must be a premade one out their somewhere in either the HVAC world or otherwise.....

Any Ideas?
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Find something that is sturdy 6" round. Put it in an open area where you can walk in circle's. Buy a 10' copper pipe, pinch the end fill with dry sand pinch the other end. Secure one end to your cylinder lean outwards and walk in a circle. It took less then 20 min total to make my coil by myself.
Or order one from AliExpress and wait 3 weeks.
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Tōtōchtin wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:15 am Find something that is sturdy 6" round. Put it in an open area where you can walk in circle's. Buy a 10' copper pipe, pinch the end fill with dry sand pinch the other end. Secure one end to your cylinder lean outwards and walk in a circle. It took less then 20 min total to make my coil by myself.
Or order one from AliExpress and wait 3 weeks.
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I've done 3/8 and 1/2". I didn't see that the 1/2" was more difficult just a bit slower as getting the coils spaced out well. 2 people would not have been slower.
3/4" would be more difficult for me but I have two broken wrists. Two people with one of them over 200 lb I don't see as a problem, just lean out and walk slowly around. I used a 4" steel pipe that was filled with cement to protect a propane tank for the 1/2", no kinks or flatten spots. I didn't anneal the pipe either. If you had someone with a torch by the cylinder your bending on preheating it I think it would be no problem. The hard part is finding a sturdy object to wrap around.
Here I would go to a used scrap yard and rent a 6" pipe, use it and return the pipe.
As you can see I'm a cheap bastard with more time then money.
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I may have to just give it a try, I wish I could find one on Ali Express or Alibaba, $65 for 12 feet of 3/4" where I am.

I went to all the rental stores in our area trying to find a pipe bender to rent. No luck.
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Born_Free wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:17 am
Tōtōchtin wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:15 am Find something that is sturdy 6" round. Put it in an open area where you can walk in circle's. Buy a 10' copper pipe, pinch the end fill with dry sand pinch the other end. Secure one end to your cylinder lean outwards and walk in a circle. It took less then 20 min total to make my coil by myself.
Or order one from AliExpress and wait 3 weeks.
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You don' want to use hard copper tube to do this. You need soft ACR copper sold in rolls.
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If you have a shop that builds dune buggies, they would have a tubing bender for small pipe.
Copper is very forgiving if you take your time and have a plan.
Me I have a bunch of parts I've made but no gumption to put them together.
If I remember right the largest I have noticed on AliExpress is 1/2".
This is a good place for parts
https://www.coppertubingsales.com/colle ... -x-50-ft-1
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This is what happens without a plan, but watch it so you do better.

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If money isn't a problem look for people who make heat exchangers.
AliExpress price 5 m without shipping in peso's about 115 bucks.
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Maybe contact this company and see if they can wind you one based on your specifications.

EDIT: Bummer, they're in China. Sorry.
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acfixer69 wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:09 am
You don' want to use hard copper tube to do this. You need soft ACR copper sold in rolls.

Definitely need soft tubing. :thumbup:
3/4" hard tubing is much cheaper than soft ACR.
I'm a tight wad when spending money, I'd build a fire and anneal the 3/4" ID

If your rich and want perfection maybe call a company like this.
http://www.coppertubecoils.com/about-co ... ubing.html
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Born_Free wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:50 am
I would like a single 3/4" hard copper coil ~10+ feet long spiraled with a max outside diameter of 8".

Does it have to be copper ? You can wind CSST faster than you can make a sandwich.
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greggn wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:35 pm
Born_Free wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:50 am
I would like a single 3/4" hard copper coil ~10+ feet long spiraled with a max outside diameter of 8".

Does it have to be copper ? You can wind CSST faster than you can make a sandwich.
Needs to be copper, for heat transfer.
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Just out of curiosity, what is the coil going to be used for?
Is it a worm, wortchiller or are you building a monotube steam boiler.
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shadylane wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:17 pm Just out of curiosity, what is the coil going to be used for?
Is it a worm, wortchiller or are you building a monotube steam boiler.
Steam coil. Not sure I've heard the term monotube before.
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It's the boiler design that's least likely to go Boom. :lol:
A mono tube boiler is just that, a long coiled up tube that fire blows on.
It's commonly used on steam cleaners.
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