The Practicalities........
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The Practicalities........
Introduction:
I'm brand spanking new here and as you may guess from my nom de plume, I'm a quite highly-qualified Chemist, Royal Society of Chemistry accredited. But I also have decades of experience (including professional) with engineering, physical property sensors, telemetry and microprocessors (ESP32 most often).
Distilling Background:
I have operated my own very small stills for a couple of decades now. I get enormous fun by "tearing the page out and starting again" with respect to still layout, modus operandi and control. The operation, in particular has to be mindful of the acuity of British Law Enforcement: stills are illegal here! Police helicopters regularly conduct IR scans of most UK towns and villages - looking for the heat signatures of those illegally growing cannabis, which issues loads of heat.
The police also have access to the amount of electricity consumed by any household - data collection and analysis is a big thing here as AI bulldozes through almost every aspect of Life. Law Enforcement included! So I keep my power requirements within the "noise" suggested by an average household's power usage. It no longer takes Rocket Science to produce an AI-derived list of likely cannabis growers; or large pot still operators; so I try hard to "keep my nose clean"!
Particular interests:
I don't follow still-building "Convention", but most definitely make a full use of Physics and energy conservation as I can.
For some (often hair-brained and experimental) still designs, I need compact ways to bend and connect multiple parts of copper tubing - I always use only copper for my still construction.
An example puzzle, recently in the process of being overcome:
I wanted several 15mm diameter horizontal copper pipes stacked vertically and just 10mm apart. They are connected from top to bottom as a long "zig zag".
A FreeCAD3D-derived pic of what I mean: So how to make those compact "connectors" between levels? [Don't worry about the open ends - that's another story, another problem!]
The radius of a 180 degree pipe curve using a pipe bender is just much too large.
Also, how to hold all the parts together whilst they are being silver-soldered? (I always try to use silver solder, for strength, and it comes in handy if I want to soft-solder any later ideas/additions without compromising the base platform!)
Do other Members here have similar traits (experimental, random thought, happiness at overcoming metalworking problems!)
I am in the process of building a jig which will allow me to accurately mill out the necessary copper to make those short connectors.
Yes, I do have a milling machine, lathe and universal grinder......
After that I just need to find a way to hold all of the bits, accurately, in place whilst I solder them!
No need to tell me that I'm an oddball!
I work almost always "out of the box" led by logic rather than tradition.
Hope that at least some Members find this intro post ringing all sorts of "been there, done that" bells and will note that I do this mostly for fun. I'm not an alcoholic and don't need gallons and gallons of the stuff. I enjoy the hobby in the fully rounded sense of the phrase!
I'm brand spanking new here and as you may guess from my nom de plume, I'm a quite highly-qualified Chemist, Royal Society of Chemistry accredited. But I also have decades of experience (including professional) with engineering, physical property sensors, telemetry and microprocessors (ESP32 most often).
Distilling Background:
I have operated my own very small stills for a couple of decades now. I get enormous fun by "tearing the page out and starting again" with respect to still layout, modus operandi and control. The operation, in particular has to be mindful of the acuity of British Law Enforcement: stills are illegal here! Police helicopters regularly conduct IR scans of most UK towns and villages - looking for the heat signatures of those illegally growing cannabis, which issues loads of heat.
The police also have access to the amount of electricity consumed by any household - data collection and analysis is a big thing here as AI bulldozes through almost every aspect of Life. Law Enforcement included! So I keep my power requirements within the "noise" suggested by an average household's power usage. It no longer takes Rocket Science to produce an AI-derived list of likely cannabis growers; or large pot still operators; so I try hard to "keep my nose clean"!
Particular interests:
I don't follow still-building "Convention", but most definitely make a full use of Physics and energy conservation as I can.
For some (often hair-brained and experimental) still designs, I need compact ways to bend and connect multiple parts of copper tubing - I always use only copper for my still construction.
An example puzzle, recently in the process of being overcome:
I wanted several 15mm diameter horizontal copper pipes stacked vertically and just 10mm apart. They are connected from top to bottom as a long "zig zag".
A FreeCAD3D-derived pic of what I mean: So how to make those compact "connectors" between levels? [Don't worry about the open ends - that's another story, another problem!]
The radius of a 180 degree pipe curve using a pipe bender is just much too large.
Also, how to hold all the parts together whilst they are being silver-soldered? (I always try to use silver solder, for strength, and it comes in handy if I want to soft-solder any later ideas/additions without compromising the base platform!)
Do other Members here have similar traits (experimental, random thought, happiness at overcoming metalworking problems!)
I am in the process of building a jig which will allow me to accurately mill out the necessary copper to make those short connectors.
Yes, I do have a milling machine, lathe and universal grinder......
After that I just need to find a way to hold all of the bits, accurately, in place whilst I solder them!
No need to tell me that I'm an oddball!
I work almost always "out of the box" led by logic rather than tradition.
Hope that at least some Members find this intro post ringing all sorts of "been there, done that" bells and will note that I do this mostly for fun. I'm not an alcoholic and don't need gallons and gallons of the stuff. I enjoy the hobby in the fully rounded sense of the phrase!
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Re: The Practicalities........
Welcome to the forum BC.
I'd be glad to answer the "how to make those compact connectors" question.
But this is the welcome section and I don't want to clutter it up.
Start a new post in the appropriate area and the folks around here will be helpful.
It will also make it easier to find in the future.
I'd be glad to answer the "how to make those compact connectors" question.
But this is the welcome section and I don't want to clutter it up.
Start a new post in the appropriate area and the folks around here will be helpful.
It will also make it easier to find in the future.
Re: The Practicalities........
Welcome to the forum BC from a fellow Brit, I think you will have some good input here.
Great intro too, but definitely start a new thread with the details.
Moose
Great intro too, but definitely start a new thread with the details.
Moose
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Re: The Practicalities........
Welcome in oddball
You’re a lucky man to have all those toys in your shed .
Yes please start a new topic to discuss your project .
You’re a lucky man to have all those toys in your shed .
Yes please start a new topic to discuss your project .
My recommended goto .
https://homedistiller.org/wiki/index.ph ... ion_Theory
https://homedistiller.org/wiki/index.ph ... ion_Theory
Re: The Practicalities........
Welcome.
"still building convention"?
Please do go on.
"still building convention"?
Please do go on.
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Re: The Practicalities........
Cheers BC.. get your build thread started, I have a couple thoughts you might not want to hear
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Re: The Practicalities........
Thanks for your welcomes!
Which section do you feel would routinely associate with the example I gave? I'm a bit "too new" to know.
I just "took a stab" and unsurprisingly got the wrong place first time around!
I don't want to spend lots of my time discussing/arguing the merits/downsides of a complete still - just the practicalities of build issues I meet/met along the way to making what suits me, but more importantly, learning/sharing the little bits of craft that can save on build time and wasted effort.
BTW, I don't have a "religious" attitude to distilling.....it seems from reading here that folks follow their own chosen path anyway, and it's not for me to declare any path Right or Wrong!
Science shows that within broad limits most still designs will, or can be made to, deliver acceptable output! A degree of experimentation/adventure as far as designing my own stills goes is, for me, where the fun and satisfaction of the hobby lies. I feel quite confident that it's probably a strong theme for many here.
Just trying to ease into the place, avoiding fuss and bother!
So, to keep life simple.....Where should I post the following comment/question:
"Some aspects of soldering together multiple bits of copper when still-building can become a serious headache because all of the bits have to end up in the correct place, in three dimensions. Even though we might get away with it and have no leaks, the result can look and feel pretty amateur!!!
Building a jig which holds each and every jig part correctly even when heated (with the copper bits themselves in place) in fraught with issues. Particularly time and cost.
So I'm gearing-up for experimenting with "micro spot welding" the bits in place with small, heat-proof retaining welds, prior to hard soldering (and potentially even soft soldering).
Anyone tried this idea and got some feedback to share?"
Which section do you feel would routinely associate with the example I gave? I'm a bit "too new" to know.
I just "took a stab" and unsurprisingly got the wrong place first time around!
I don't want to spend lots of my time discussing/arguing the merits/downsides of a complete still - just the practicalities of build issues I meet/met along the way to making what suits me, but more importantly, learning/sharing the little bits of craft that can save on build time and wasted effort.
BTW, I don't have a "religious" attitude to distilling.....it seems from reading here that folks follow their own chosen path anyway, and it's not for me to declare any path Right or Wrong!
Science shows that within broad limits most still designs will, or can be made to, deliver acceptable output! A degree of experimentation/adventure as far as designing my own stills goes is, for me, where the fun and satisfaction of the hobby lies. I feel quite confident that it's probably a strong theme for many here.
Just trying to ease into the place, avoiding fuss and bother!
So, to keep life simple.....Where should I post the following comment/question:
"Some aspects of soldering together multiple bits of copper when still-building can become a serious headache because all of the bits have to end up in the correct place, in three dimensions. Even though we might get away with it and have no leaks, the result can look and feel pretty amateur!!!
Building a jig which holds each and every jig part correctly even when heated (with the copper bits themselves in place) in fraught with issues. Particularly time and cost.
So I'm gearing-up for experimenting with "micro spot welding" the bits in place with small, heat-proof retaining welds, prior to hard soldering (and potentially even soft soldering).
Anyone tried this idea and got some feedback to share?"
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Re: The Practicalities........
Many thanks, I've given that a go!
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Re: The Practicalities........
Kudos to the British writer of a novel written 75 years ago, that just keeps on giving... A cautionary tale that we have ignored and perversely, behavior we seem to have embraced instead. Doublespeak, Newspeak, Big Brother, Thought Police, totalitarianism, propaganda, mass surveillance, censorship. Its all here today. Unfortunately.BritishChemist wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:32 pm
"Police helicopters, IR scans, amount of electricity consumed, data collection and analysis".
Comment # 1,000 for me! Jezzh. An average 91 post/year. Never thought of myself as a blabbermouth, before this.
Omnia mea mecum porto