Triple Distillation Gin (molasse rum based)

[Timoun222]

Hello,

I’ve tried a recipe of “gin” using a Pot Still and a white rum molasses as a base for my maceration. I did the maceration of my botanicals in a white rum (molasses) issued form a stripping run and then did a spirit run with all the botanicals inside the pot still and made my cuts (collecting the heart till 50%vol.).
The gin (or botanical rum) was good but we could still taste the flavor of the rum.

As it’s easier for me to work with this molasses base, I’d like to try again but to have less of this “rum” taste. I was thinking about doing a triple distillation.
One stripping run form molasse,
One second distillation making “light” cuts
Doing the maceration of my botanicals in this second run reduced around 45%vol. for 24 hrs.
One third distillation (spirit run) with the previous run including the botanicals and making my normal cuts (I use to take off 200 ml at least for 30 L of mash) and stop collecting the heart around 50-45%vol.

Would that be efficient to get closer to a gin profile flavor?
What do you think about that?
Thanks guys!
Julien

[Yummyrum]

I’m afraid you may be out of luck . Molasses is really strong .
I strip mine in a pot still and then run it through a packed reflux still pulling it at 95.5%abv. You would think that it would be very Nuetral and devoid of any flavour but it actually still has heaps of flavour . It is way stronger than Baccardi .

So I seriously doubt that you will do any better by triple distilling in Pot if I can’t get it clean in a reflux still .

[Saltbush Bill]

As above, your fresh out of luck , you wont get the Rum smell/ taste out even running the base spirit through a good reflux still at Azeo.
Mollases flavour just keeps on keeping on.
Better and easier to just use a nice clean wash like Shadys Sugar Shine.

[Copperhead road]

You could try doing a shady sugar shine for your base spirit, that is a better easy option for gin than a rum wash.
Mind you even with a SSS wash it will be tough to make a nice clean neutral with a potstill.

EDIT : Sorry for the double up recommending SSS. Me and Salt Bush Bill posted at the exact same time.

[Bolverk]

As others have said molasses is some sticky shit... in both physical form and in a distillate. I read somewhere that you need in the neighborhood of like 30 plates to get a clean neutral from molasses.

You can get to azeo and still have a fair bit of flavor, to get a truly clean neutral you need a lot of rectification via plates/packing (hetp).

[Yummyrum]

You can get to azeo and still have a fair bit of flavor, to get a truly clean neutral you need a lot of rectification via plates/packing (hetp).

Hee hee , this is Baccardi’s column . And then they need to age it and filter it through about 15 charcoals to rid the Molasses .

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[Bolverk]

You can get to azeo and still have a fair bit of flavor, to get a truly clean neutral you need a lot of rectification via plates/packing (hetp).

Hee hee , this is Baccardi’s column . And then they need to age it and filter it through about 15 charcoals to rid the Molasses .

IMG_3617.jpeg

Shit thats only like 50ft tall... just put a hole in the roof for the column

[GrumbleStill]

You can get to azeo and still have a fair bit of flavor, to get a truly clean neutral you need a lot of rectification via plates/packing (hetp).

Hee hee , this is Baccardi’s column . And then they need to age it and filter it through about 15 charcoals to rid the Molasses .

IMG_3617.jpeg

Shit thats only like 50ft tall... just put a hole in the roof for the column

[MooseMan]

I did the maceration of my botanicals in a white rum (molasses) issued form a stripping run and then did a spirit run with all the botanicals inside the pot still

I've just read your initial post and spotted the above...

So you did a strip on a molasses based wash, then used that to directly macerate botanicals for a gin!
No wonder it had a strong rum flavour!

You'll never get rid of it entirely, but if you at least do a second, spirit run on the rum base, and make very tight hearts cuts you'll scrape away some flavour.
Better still reflux it as yummy said, bit it seems you only have a pot still.

You could also try raising the pH of the stripped low wines, to over pH9 on the spirit run, and water it down to around 20-25abv, this will help to leave some of the esters in the boiler.

Then use only the cleanest hearts cut from that spirit run, to macerate your botanicals for the gin run.
This still won't get rid of all the rum flavour though, just minimise it.

[Timoun222]

Hello guys,
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
Unfortunately it’s not easy to find epsom salt or things like this where I am to make a SSS (shadys sugar shine) mash.
I will then try to make a maceration using a “clean” second distillation (using just the heart and reduce it to 45%vol.)
Even if I still have a bit of flavor of the molasses rum at the end it’s okay. It will be a “botanical rum” instead of a “gin”
Will keep you updated guys!
Cheers

[Yummyrum]

Timoun222,
You could use Birdwatchers ( also known as Tomato paste wash ,TPW) It’s been around for nearly two decades and no need for Epsom salts or DAP or multivitamins . Just a can of Tomato past and juice of Lemon . It might not be as pure as SSS wash but it’s Damn close .

Infact , there is a commercial distillery in Australia that has been using it as the base for their award winning Gins for over a decade .

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[Timoun222]

Hello!
Thanks! It sounds very interesting and I will try it soon.
It seems easy
Cheers

[Tammuz]

Hello guys,
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
Unfortunately it’s not easy to find epsom salt or things like this where I am to make a SSS (shadys sugar shine) mash.
I will then try to make a maceration using a “clean” second distillation (using just the heart and reduce it to 45%vol.)
Even if I still have a bit of flavor of the molasses rum at the end it’s okay. It will be a “botanical rum” instead of a “gin”
Will keep you updated guys!
Cheers

Epson salts is just magnesium sulfate, a fertilizer, boiler yeast for your nitrogen. Use Mkp a fertilizer 0-52-34. I don't know if you know this but most of those nutrients are used as fertilizer. If you Google where to buy them it lists places in 2 cities.

[Timoun222]

I ve finally done my Triple Distilled Gin (or Botanical Rum would be the real name actually)!
I wasn’t sure about the result but I could get rid of this molasse taste that I had on my previous test doing a double distillation of a molasse base. I did some cuts for the second and the third distillation and I’m actually very happy of the result. It’s very elegant and subtile, I still can taste a bit of molasses flavor on the aftertaste but it’s maybe because I know that It has been done with molasses.