Glass jar printing removal

[contrahead]

Nobody should have a bottle of acid so dangerous in their household .

Banned huh. Well I have no stake in the game or any “Armor Etch” of my own. But I can go buy some at Walmart. I do not want to live in a nanny-state. (Alright , I already do; but I don't want it to get worse).

Apparently, hydrofluoric acid is not so scary evil that it is banned here, yet. (Not even in California !) The hobbyist type consumer is likely limited to these little 10 oz bottles that are a paste mixture, intended only to be applied by brush, while wearing gloves.

I'd rather be able to read and follow instructions, and accept the risk from my own actions. Rather than be dictated to by a overcautious, bureaucratic nanny nitwit. A person sometimes only learns responsibility and gains experience from taking risk – however so slight. A nanny-state doesn't teach or create inventors, innovators or leaders. We didn't cross the oceans, create new civilizations or make it to the moon just by being pantywaist.

Anyway, I was just passing information along. Information from an entitled person evidently, that has done it before. So don't shoot the messenger.

[Yummyrum]

Thankyou for posting specific product for the job .

I was discouraging someone from just seeing “Hydrofluoric Acid “ and go buying a litre of the concentrated stuff .

[HDNB]

(most of) those labels are UV cured ceramic ink. good luck.

the octo bottle is a "full spray", then printed. the spray is basically paint and the printing is attached to that, so a good pant stripper would likely make that clear glass again.

i'm with SBB, tho....the question is why? there's a million vessels that will hold moonshine. pick one that you like, with or without printing.

[Mr_Beer]

I am the original poster who asked the initial question. This thread has gone too long in my view.

To be clear, I advocated the use of Hydrochloric acid (HCI) also known as muriatic acid if diluted. It is an aqueous solution of hydrogen chloride for the removal of some 'painted' or silk screened items on glass bottles. That recommendation was made after I successfully used it on some subject bottles. The product is available in America in many stores and must be handled carefully.

For some reason the topic shifted to Hydrofluoric Acid (HF) which is much different. Among other things it has a boiling point that approaches ambient temp and thus can present toxic fumes. Additionally it will help etch glass -- why you would etch glass trying to remove a label is a puzzle to me.

To be clear, I DID NOT advocate use of HF.

As one poster said, HCI (my recommendation) is not for Muppets. If you do not understand what you are doing and cannot do it outside then toss the bottle.

Safety should be paramount.

[cranky]

Banned huh. Well I have no stake in the game or any “Armor Etch” of my own. But I can go buy some at Walmart. I do not want to live in a nanny-state. (Alright , I already do; but I don't want it to get worse).

I think it would be nice to etch my own logo on the Monkey bottles I send as gifts but I have a question

Can Armor Etch be used by Muppets?

[Yummyrum]

Sorry Mr Beer .
Not to take this any further off topic but I just looked at the SDSs of 4 Armour Etch products . The common ingreadients were Ammonium bisulphide and Sodium bisulphide with an acid . Most used Sulfuric or citric or both .

Interestingly None that I saw used Hydrofluoric ….. thank fuck .

So considering it can be bought in hardware stores and haberdashery stores , it must be pretty Muppet proof….. although SDSs recommend gloves and eye protection .

[contrahead]

I do not understand why speech about glass etching is off topic, in a thread titled “glass jar printing removal”. Clearly etching glass with an acid is one method used to print upon glass. No doubt many a fool has tried to wash such etching off a bottle. Why is it off topic?

Real HF is mainly used in manufacturing environments; for etching even things like electronics perhaps. But today's best precision glass artistry is preformed with laser etching along with hydrofluoric acid together. (Well the UV cured ceramic ink that HDBN mentioned, is kewl too).
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https://www.glassetchingsecrets.com/acid.html
The same person that wrote the above also wrote this”
https://www.glassetchingsecrets.com/blo ... m-made-of/

The list of ingredients mentioned in his version of Armor Etch differ from what Yummrum listed. It is evident though that there are several different recipes on the Internet, even for making your own etching cream concoction.

(From the 2nd link) listed in MSD: are
Barium Sulfate
Sulfuric Acid
Sodium Bifluoride
and Ammonium Bifluoride

So this is all new stuff for me; new topics. I have no formed opinions, only a desire to learn. I don't know if or when a used Mexican tequila bottle is made of borosilicate glass, fused quartz glass or soda-lime glass. And I bet other readers here don't know the difference either.
But I am confused as to why the very composition of a glass bottle or “jar” would be considered “off topic” in a thread that portends to discuss glass jars and any printing upon them... Do I need to go make a different thread, with almost the same title ?

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A little additional information, that hopefully does not break the camel's back.
(ammonium and sodium bifluoride both, are listed as ingredient in some versions of Armor Etch).

QUOTES: (source) https://www.finishing.com/94/62.shtml

"Ammonium Bifluoride, NH4HF2, is a weak acid salt of HF. If you add Sulfuric or Hydrochloric acid to the ABF you will have more HF in solution than with just the ABF. You will have to do some chemistry to figure the molar amount of acid needed to get the equivalent amount".

"Some folks have used ammonium bifluoride as a substitute for HF and created (what they refer to as) an "acid free" wheel cleaner -- it's a dangerous and deceptive practice".

[Yummyrum]

but I just looked at the SDSs of 4 Armour Etch products . The common ingreadients were Ammonium bisulphide and Sodium bisulphide with an acid . Most used Sulfuric or citric or both .

Appologies . You are correct Contra , I incorrectly typed bisulphate instead if bifluoride.
DOH , was just going to link to the SDS and didn’t .

[IMALOSERSCUMBAG]

Now, Goo Gone is petroleum based so you will need to wash the bottle good. I stick them in the dishwasher. That does the trick.

My wife owns the dishwasher ain't no way in hell I'd consider using it for anything about distilling.
She broke me of that habit after using the clothes dryer to remove roots and shoots from malt.

The kitchen is my domain so I call the shots with the dishwasher.

Now the laundry room? I'm not allowed in there. Something about a interpretation of how much you can fit into the washer? If it fits, it goes in..... apparently that's not how it works.

Dryer to remove the roots and shoots? You burned a bridge there.