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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:21 am
by NZChris
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:10 am
So what ahould be my starting ph then
The answer to that is in Shady's OP.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:36 am
by shadylane
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:13 am
I have gypsum or chalk amy recommendations for which and how much
Chalk might help, it's hard to say how much, add a little at a time and find out.
I'd go to a grocery store and buy some pickling lime.
If you haven't already added any Epsom salt, get some of that too.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:44 am
by Ndb
shadylane wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:36 am
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:13 am
I have gypsum or chalk amy recommendations for which and how much
Chalk might help, it's hard to say how much, add a little at a time and find out.
I'd go to a grocery store and buy some pickling lime.
If you haven't already added any Epsom salt, get some of that too.
I have epsom salt so i will add a pinch amd the chalk i will add. Do you recommend blitzing into a tornado again.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:49 am
by Yummyrum
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:13 am
I have gypsum or chalk amy recommendations for which and how much
Chalk is calcium carbonate … thats the one …. but probably too late .
Gypsum is calcium sulfate …. Plaster of paris…definitely not the one .
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:50 am
by shadylane
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:44 am
Do you recommend blitzing into a tornado again.
You only do that at the beginning.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:57 am
by shadylane
NZChris wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:02 am
PH stalls can be a bitch to restart sometimes, so are best avoided.
Words of wisdom right there.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:03 am
by Ndb
shadylane wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:57 am
NZChris wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:02 am
PH stalls can be a bitch to restart sometimes, so are best avoided.
Words of wisdom right there.
Lesson definitely learnt.
I dont know why i dropped the ph so low to start.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:22 am
by Ndb
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:44 am
shadylane wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:36 am
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:13 am
I have gypsum or chalk amy recommendations for which and how much
Chalk might help, it's hard to say how much, add a little at a time and find out.
I'd go to a grocery store and buy some pickling lime.
If you haven't already added any Epsom salt, get some of that too.
I have epsom salt so i will add a pinch amd the chalk i will add. Do you recommend blitzing into a tornado again.
Added it in will test tomorrow morning. Hopefully will have kicked off after 12hrs of waiting will update affer then
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:57 am
by shadylane
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:03 am
Lesson definitely learnt.
I dont know why i dropped the ph so low to start.
And Ya forgot the Epsom salt also.
Yeast needs the magnesium.
There's some magnesium in the shell grit also. Which you forgot.
The poor yeast probably isn't too happy.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:01 am
by Saltbush Bill
Could have left the yeast out too.......would have got the same result.....just faster.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:11 am
by jonnys_spirit
For reference, what was the pH when it stalled and and what did you raise it to with the calcium carbonate? I missed those details - which may be helpful for other folks that present with this scenario in the future.
Cheers!
-j
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:46 am
by bcook608
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:03 am
shadylane wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:57 am
NZChris wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:02 am
PH stalls can be a bitch to restart sometimes, so are best avoided.
Words of wisdom right there.
Lesson definitely learnt.
I dont know why i dropped the ph so low to start.
I just ran into a similar problem. Temp to high and ph dropped horribly. Add Calcium Hydroxide to raise to around 4-4.5 and pitch another round of yeast. Let it sit in top until it's rehydrated and gently stir in after about 45 minutes to an hour. Mine took right back off.
It seems like your temp isn't an issue so you should be able to get it back up and running.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:58 pm
by Ndb
bcook608 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:46 am
Ndb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:03 am
shadylane wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:57 am
NZChris wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:02 am
PH stalls can be a bitch to restart sometimes, so are best avoided.
Words of wisdom right there.
Lesson definitely learnt.
I dont know why i dropped the ph so low to start.
I just ran into a similar problem. Temp to high and ph dropped horribly. Add Calcium Hydroxide to raise to around 4-4.5 and pitch another round of yeast. Let it sit in top until it's rehydrated and gently stir in after about 45 minutes to an hour. Mine took right back off.
It seems like your temp isn't an issue so you should be able to get it back up and running.
Would baking soda be okay to raise ph as i dont have amy acces to calciium hydroxide and im going away for a week. Tried more chalk and yeast still nothing
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:25 pm
by shadylane
Baking soda is better than nothing.
I'd pitch some more yeast also.
Ya definitely need to rehydrate the yeast before pitching.
The yeast needs 10 to 15 minutes soaking up plain warm water, to get the cell wall functioning before being thrown in a hostile environment.
If by chance you have any ec1118 yeast, now would be the time to use it.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:20 am
by Ndb
shadylane wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:25 pm
Baking soda is better than nothing.
I'd pitch some more yeast also.
Ya definitely need to rehydrate the yeast before pitching.
The yeast needs 10 to 15 minutes soaking up plain warm water, to get the cell wall functioning before being thrown in a hostile environment.
If by chance you have any ec1118 yeast, now would be the time to use it.
If i cant get this going again, what are my options?
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:40 am
by NZChris
Ndb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:20 am
If i cant get this going again, what are my options?
Kick the can over. You won't be the first.
Or.... seeing as you are going away and can't fiddle with it every day, I suggest you hang shells or limestone, (by it's various names), in it and hope for the best. You might get lucky.
I'm sure you'll do better next time.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:04 am
by Ndb
NZChris wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:40 am
Ndb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:20 am
If i cant get this going again, what are my options?
Kick the can over. You won't be the first.
Or.... seeing as you are going away and can't fiddle with it every day, I suggest you hang shells or limestone, (by it's various names), in it and hope for the best. You might get lucky.
I'm sure you'll do better next time.
Cant i run it? I would obviously get a small yield but surely still something?
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:14 am
by NZChris
I have done that.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:19 am
by shadylane
Ndb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:20 am
If i cant get this going again, what are my options?
Run it when you get back home next week.
It might surprise you and ferment some more while you're gone.
The shine might not taste as good as it should have.
But you'll have something to drink as punishment while brewing another batch.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:57 am
by Ndb
shadylane wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:19 am
Ndb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:20 am
If i cant get this going again, what are my options?
Run it when you get back home next week.
It might surprise you and ferment some more while you're gone.
The shine might not taste as good as it should have.
But you'll have something to drink as punishment while brewing another batch.
Ill rehydrate and pitch some more yeast and add baking soda. Hopefully i can get the PH up to 5 and ill run it in a week.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:12 am
by shadylane
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:05 pm
by Ndb
Will do.
UPDATE
After 4 heaped teaspoons of baking soda amd 4 of chalk
I managaed to get PH up to 5 i then rehydrayed some yeast and pitched. 1 hour later foam cap on top and fizzing away. What a ride
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:54 pm
by Sporacle
Ndb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:05 pm
I managaed to get PH up to 5 i then rehydrayed some yeast and pitched. 1 hour later foam cap on top and fizzing away. What a ride
Well done, now back slowly away from the fermentor and let it do its thing.....
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:37 am
by Ndb
Sporacle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:54 pm
Ndb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:05 pm
I managaed to get PH up to 5 i then rehydrayed some yeast and pitched. 1 hour later foam cap on top and fizzing away. What a ride
Well done, now back slowly away from the fermentor and let it do its thing.....
Time for my holiday now. Then to run these once i get back home
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:50 am
by NZChris
While you are on holiday, keep an eye out for blocks of marble and seashells. Any solid form of calcium carbonate is useful.
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:55 am
by Ndb
NZChris wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:50 am
While you are on holiday, keep an eye out for blocks of marble and seashells. Any solid form of calcium carbonate is useful.
Will do
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:30 am
by Ndb
NZChris wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:50 am
While you are on holiday, keep an eye out for blocks of marble and seashells. Any solid form of calcium carbonate is useful.
Would travertine paver qualify for this, i have a few around home i can smash up
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:53 am
by Yummyrum
NZChris wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:50 am
While you are on holiday, keep an eye out for blocks of marble and seashells. Any solid form of calcium carbonate is useful.
Careful Chris
Nek minut derelict headstones and marble doves and Angels will be offered as sacrifices to the spirits .
OK , now I’m imagining a Meme where there is a pic of collapsing of the Sistine Chapel while
Mum and Dad are explaining to customs what the chunk of marble pillar is for…….
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:10 am
by EricTheRed
Re: Shady's Sugar Shine
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:22 am
by shadylane
Ndb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:05 pm
Will do.
UPDATE
After 4 heaped teaspoons of baking soda amd 4 of chalk
I managaed to get PH up to 5 i then rehydrayed some yeast and pitched. 1 hour later foam cap on top and fizzing away. What a ride
When you get back home start another batch following the recipe.
Room temp will work but 86*f will work better.
Just don't let the temp get higher than that.
