History from the other side

[pfshine]

The "bomb" was not the most destructive or deadly raids that took place over Japan. Some Fire raids did much more damage and took more lives. But the simple fact is that is many many bombs compared to one. Also side note, Russia set off the largest nuke ever detonated called czar bomba.

[goose eye]

All likker wont made bad back in the 50s to now.
Still to this day even folks on here turn there nose up to it . Government done a good job brain washin.

So I'm tole

[raketemensch]

I love Eddie Izzard, and quote that line about Hitler playing Risk far more often than you'd think was possible in normal conversation.

It's nice to see this thread turn into being about something other than The Cunning Use of Flags.

[thecroweater]

All likker wont made bad back in the 50s to now.
Still to this day even folks on here turn there nose up to it . Government done a good job brain washin. So I'm tole

Yep histories of shine are loaded with misdirection but one nagging fact of logic remains true, if a product is no good no one will want it and it soon doesn't exist. If something endures it must have something going for it

[masonsjax]

What becomes of a thread when Godwin's law is invoked in the first post?

[thecroweater]

What becomes of a thread when Godwin's law is invoked in the first post?

You invoke Greenwalts rebuttal naturally

[Hank Reardon]

Hank,
I did not understand every word of your post. Your English is too good for me. So I am not sure, if I answer good:

Ah, now I understand you. Again someone with this idea of the unbeatable eternal power of capitalism. How witty in an US-American forum.
Common... That's stupid. So the Americans are not allowed to drive cars, because the German and English invented it. And we all are not allowed to write, because the Arabs invented your scripture. And without broadcasting, we would have no internet today, Italian or English invented it I think. Oh, and the USA would not be allowed to have Guantanamo, because Germany, Russia and China had such camps first.
But in a way you are right. But "There is no correct life in the wrong".

Btw, I don't follow any idea like communism or socialism. I have opinions about pros and cons, that's all.

And I definetely don't want to pm about such things.

Der Wo,

I think you understood most just fine. Maybe google translate has a place in the world after all?

You did miss my point on exceptionalism. It had little to do with an "US-American forum", and a lot to do with the generous nature of western civilization compared to most others. BTW, the west would not be simply defined as the US, which has been stated quite clearly a bit earlier in the thread.

My problem was that you decided to focus on missing zeroes in a post rather than the intent, and infer undefined outcomes based on a typo, or at least what I presume was a typo. I understand that at times we need to have details be correct, but in this case, it seemed more like an attack from my screen.

Regards,

Hank

[Hank Reardon]

interesting post Hank. I think I just got to know you a bit.

This has been about the history of the world so far, how about thinking of this concept of "history" a little closer to home? When you think about your wife (well not your wife, just the concept of wife) is she a slut? did she have sex with one guy before you, or was the entire football team on a friday night to satisfy her that she considered fair game? was she chaste and pure as the driven snow when you found her? Does her "number" matter to you?

now then...what kind of viril stud would you be (had been) if you serviced the entire cheerleading squad every friday night? is your number 1 or 301? would you be a robust, he- man, an exemplary specimen and the envy of all your mates?

now write the history of your relationship... do you suffer from this same flawed logic?

The thought of your wife being as much of a horn dog as you is pretty unsettling for most. Point being, when you quit thinking of your SOH as female/wife- your property... and start treating her as human/person- her own sentient being...she's less likely to actually be doing jimmy next door, you're likely gonna get a bit more.
remember, she comes first!

it's this very thing that starts and ends wars.

That may be HD, I'm far from an expert on what causes wars. Now, based on what you highlighted, and my inability to interpret with limited context, it is possible to draw more than one conclusion. That being said, I agree, stop giving the imaginary wife grief for liking the football team. Lord knows you (not you, but others like you) enjoyed it at the time when you were the 2nd string running back. If that is your point...

If your point was the other, well, I'm sorry to disappoint you..., but I agreed with your first.

Regards,

Hank

[der wo]

I think you understood most just fine. Maybe google translate has a place in the world after all?

Yes. Google translator. I have to use more often than usual here. That's no reproach, that's my problem.

You did miss my point on exceptionalism.

Yes. Because I did not understand.
Now I have read, what wikipedia writes about "american exceptionalism": In short (I hope I understand it right), the USA have an unique history, very different from Europe, so comparisions with Europe nations are always difficult. Different laws, policy and society are the result and difficult to judge from outside the US. But because you can defend any behaviour with this argument, it's also a potent political instrument.
But you write "western exceptionalism". No wikipedia article about that. Does it mean, we (North America and Western Europe) cannot judge non-western nations because of our different history? Other nations like Russia, Iraq, Vietnam or Cuba?

the generous nature of western civilization compared to most others.

You mean, because we voluntarily sell them cars and iphones? But for getting their resources we have to wage armed, economical and political war often?

My problem was that you decided to focus on missing zeroes in a post rather than the intent, and infer undefined outcomes based on a typo, or at least what I presume was a typo. I understand that at times we need to have details be correct, but in this case, it seemed more like an attack from my screen.

AGAIN: After I read, pfshines numbers were a typo, I only wrote about it again, because you were writing, that I am the one, who started with this victim numbers discussion. Yes, it was an attack, but BEFORE pfshine corrected it.

[HDNB]

If your point was the other, well, I'm sorry to disappoint

The written word can be interpreted so many ways. I'm not overly bright, i rarely think more than two moves ahead in chess, so you can take it at face value.

Talking about huge wars and ancient history on a global forum is trolling for action for sure; my intent was to bring the concept a little closer to home. (remember movie "war of the roses")

Men in divorce rarely see it coming. they forget women are human too. How often have you sat with a buddy and he bemoans "i'm tired of plowing the same field, i need some strange" It's that same guy that is so shocked to find out the little woman feels exactly the same way. (the funny thing is she felt this way before you)

so the point was: in wars, people forget the guys on the other side want exactly the same thing they do. want to maintain their way of life, their culture, their breeding rights, feed their people, feel safe and secure etc. etc.

a little segue...the point was not the difference between infatuation/love and affection/loyalty. socio-economic benefit or physical and mental health benefits of staying...or going. But here's a tidbit to chew on:
genetically speaking women are "in love" (infatuated) for about 10 months. men are in love for 46 months. after that, affection grows the longer they stay together. they won't feel "love" (the chemical buzz) again. women mistake this for "not being in love anymore" men feel this as the "need for some strange."
so why exactly 10 and 46 months?
again, this is about moving your genetic material forward. woman will feel infatuated (love) with a man they percieve to be good breeding material. they cannot feel love for a male they have known for more than 4months. a new male has to be attracted to move to breeding stage. after successful breeding, by the third trimester their chemical shift is to maternal love or "feathering the nest". "sexual love" is gone...side note: women will not pair "down" socio-economically or gene-wise. they must percieve the male as equal or better standing as themselves.

for men to "fall in love" woman need to do 2 things. first, display an hourglass figure for 4 months, and second spend more than 40 hours per week with the potential mate. this ensures the male an opportunity to move his genetic material forward without the concern of raising another male's offspring. (come on, think about it.) women without an hourglass figure can trade this feature for more/longer time.

once a male is attracted and successful breeding takes place, 9 months later a child is born. after 33 more months the childs first teeth have fully erupted and the child is no longer dependant on breast milk and masticated food. (46 months ttl) this means the male is no longer needed as the woman can move on to hunting/gathering again.

because gentic diversity is important to a species survival, women will seek sperm from a different male they become infatuated with. (someone they have known for less than 4 months) and men will move on to seek another female that finds him equal or better.

in modern man, women will try to find that "love feeling" again by having a second child. but they don't get it. when the maternal love wears off the second one that would be known as "the seven year itch".

If the parnters do move on, they will find "love" again, but of course it will be as fleeting as the first time.If they stay together affection will grow, they will be heathier, more mentally stable and live longer. true of any relationship, if your puppy gets run over, it's sad. when you lose your 12 year old stillhand...it's devastating. there is no such thing as a "soul mate" where you feel chemical love forever. don't happen.

that, my friends, is why women have traditionally been sexually surpressed and dominated for so long...to ensure a males "breeding rights"... now, women have economic rights and no longer require a man for survival. so they don't have to take your shit no more. who'da thunk women are people too?
Modern divorce statistics put women at 70% or higher of people initiating divorce. it is becoming less speculative that this ^^^ is the reason.
Sadly, in the quest for "love" the divorcer gives up affection, as that clock re-starts with each new partner, physical and mental health declines and life is shortened...and the divorcee gives up 2-5 years in grieving the relationship.

the moral of the story is to go be affectionate with one another.

[Swedish Pride]

Wow..
you guys are getting really heavy, not touching that.

All I want to say is....

...
Erik den røde (Erik the red..because of his red beard)
He and his folks were there almost 500 years before Colombus was ever heard about.

...everyone knows real vikings are from Sweden.

That be all

[thecroweater]

I thought the Danes ruled Sweden back in the day

[Swedish Pride]

they had Skåne , the most southern country, and we are still trying to get them to take it back.

[der wo]

They even ruled Germany 1992. Sorry, I am talking about the final of the soccer European championship 1992.

[Swedish Pride]

hahaha

[goinbroke2]

HDNB, I'm confused, you said " after successful breeding, by the third trimester their chemical shift is to maternal love or "feathering the nest". "

but we adopted and she still hates me??

And this; "for men to "fall in love" woman need to do 2 things. first, display an hourglass figure for 4 months, and second spend more than 40 hours per week with the potential mate."

But for me it was blond and big boobs, but I guess that's still only two things isn't it, which is pretty much the limit of a guys attention span...


Good points though, she's a person too, who'd a thunk it....

[Danespirit]

Wow..
you guys are getting really heavy, not touching that.

All I want to say is....

...
Erik den røde (Erik the red..because of his red beard)
He and his folks were there almost 500 years before Colombus was ever heard about.

...everyone knows real vikings are from Sweden.

That be all

Ahhh....
Well..let's agree on we have a very nice neighbourhood around here..and it doesn't matter if the cross in our flag is white,yellow or blue...hmm..think the Norwegians just painted two blue stripes through our Dannebrog.

They even ruled Germany 1992. Sorry, I am talking about the final of the soccer European championship 1992.

Yep..that's right.. There was a war going on in ex Yugoslavia, so they got disqualified for the soccer European championship.
So..they were short on one team and invited our team (even if they didn't qualify at first..oops).
We went to Sweden and played very relaxed, as no one would demand any top results from our team.
Semifinal was between our team and the Netherlands, the final was our team vs. Germany. Our team won 2-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDe2N9ykR6A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
Anyhow, never mind..it's just a game.
We like our german neighbours and their nice country, even if there now and then comes a joke or two either way.

[der wo]

We were on a trip with school during the final. A teacher nobody liked was very nervous. While watching it together with the teacher we painted our faces red and white and sang "we are red we are white we are danish dynamite!" all the time. Oh he was angry...

[shadylane]

I wonder how South Pacific islanders feel about having their land scraped off and shipped away.
The USA, Guano Island Act, and the British Phosphate Commission basically stole the soil from the islanders.

[HDNB]

i should apologize for regurgitating the pop psychology. I read alot about people and motivation(s), manipulations and such. I should know better than spewing this crap out in public.

so heres a story, back on topic of confused history...

C&P "
Few people realize that TNT, though developed at the same time as dynamite, is actually a different compound entirely. The history of TNT has an interesting starting point: it was originally developed as a dye, not an explosive!

TNT revolutionized civil engineering and has cemented itself in the public consciousness as the definition of explosives. TNT is actually an acronym, representing Trinitrotoluene. Its chemical formula is C6H2(NO2)3CH3. Contrary to popular belief, TNT is a completely different beast from dynamite. TNT was invented in 1863, just four years before dynamite, by German chemist Joseph Wilbrand.

Interestingly enough, TNT's intended purpose was as a yellow dye, not as an explosive. TNT's explosive capabilities weren't even realized until years after its invention. Its explosiveness went unnoticed because TNT has a fairly high activation energy. In addition, it was actually less powerful than alternative explosive compounds of the day. However, TNT has a number of advantages, that make it far superior to those compounds. TNT is still one of the most commonly used industrial and military explosives."

[Danespirit]

+1 HDNB
The dynamite was invented by a Swedish chemist Alfred Nobel, son of a engineer that opened a machinery factory in Sankt Petersburg.
At his father's factory, different kinds of weaponry containing explosives were made (working on a torpedo, he also invented plywood).
He had a natural interest in explosives, and to find a way to make the unstable nitroglycerin safe.
His brother was killed in an accident with nitroglycerin, Alfred lost one kidney, which may have encouraged him further in his task for safer handling of nitroglycerin.
He made a fortune by inventing and selling dynamite, together with other things around explosives (invented the modern blast cap).
Several factories were also founded, amongst others the BOFORS factory that still produces weapons today.
Soon people and the press began to accuse him of "dealing with others death" and making a profit on wars all over the world.
Depressed and shaken by such comments, he didn't want to leave a legacy as a man of destruction. So he made a foundation...the Nobel foundation.
He decided the Nobel foundation should take care of his enormous fortune, after his death. The money should be used to support scientists and an annual prize for the best invention should be given.
So that's also the story about the Nobel prize and how the founds was raised.

[WooTeck]

has been made available to you by the enemies of communism. Whether it be your keyboard, your phone that has a form of keyboard, your wireless connection, VPN connection,tablet, PC, laptop or other unnamed device you use to connect, or the service connection you leverage that is reliable; you can thank western civilization for all those tools.

lets not forget to thank Communist china for allowing us to have all these devices... as they build most of them.
enemies of communism funding communist countrys

I'm sorry i couldn't resist

[Swedish Pride]

Go on Woo! Stir that shit up

[Swedish Pride]

Ahhh....
Well..let's agree on we have a very nice neighbourhood around here..and it doesn't matter if the cross in our flag is white,yellow or blue...hmm..think the Norwegians just painted two blue stripes through our Dannebrog.

Hard to pick a fight if you are going to be all nice and mannerly, so ......hi neighbor

[der wo]

has been made available to you by the enemies of communism. Whether it be your keyboard, your phone that has a form of keyboard, your wireless connection, VPN connection,tablet, PC, laptop or other unnamed device you use to connect, or the service connection you leverage that is reliable; you can thank western civilization for all those tools.

lets not forget to thank Communist china for allowing us to have all these devices... as they build most of them.
enemies of communism funding communist countrys

I'm sorry i couldn't resist

Oh yeah! The Chinese communism is pure unselfish humanism. They work hard, that even the poorest Americans or Europeans can afford a flat screen. They simply love their enemies.
Hank Reardon would say "it's the generous nature of eastern civilization compared to most others."

[Danespirit]

Ahhh....
Well..let's agree on we have a very nice neighbourhood around here..and it doesn't matter if the cross in our flag is white,yellow or blue...hmm..think the Norwegians just painted two blue stripes through our Dannebrog.

Hard to pick a fight if you are going to be all nice and mannerly, so ......hi neighbor

High five..

[WooTeck]

these god damn Europeans coming on this thread like the age of discovery, taking over then place.

[der wo]

these god damn Europeans coming on this thread like the age of discovery, taking over then place.

Yes. From time to time Europeans like visiting America.
First came the vikings, they had a few weeks fun with the Indians, borrowed a few things and returned home, because the beer of the Indians was not really palatable.
Later there was a rumor about gold, land, women, meat filled bread and flat screens for free, so all the scum from Europe sloped over the ocean and they didn't find home again.
What happens today, only future generations can judge.

History from the other side. I can't believe, the bullshit I write is NOT off-topic.

[goinbroke2]

has been made available to you by the enemies of communism. Whether it be your keyboard, your phone that has a form of keyboard, your wireless connection, VPN connection,tablet, PC, laptop or other unnamed device you use to connect, or the service connection you leverage that is reliable; you can thank western civilization for all those tools.

lets not forget to thank Communist china for allowing us to have all these devices... as they build most of them.
enemies of communism funding communist countrys

I'm sorry i couldn't resist

LOL! That's funny as China and EVERY OTHER communist system shit the bed and was only saved when they reverted to capitalism. now they have their cake and can eat it too, they are communist and have autonomous control over everything, and they can sell on the open market to fund their communism.

Kinda ironic that the only area's with communism that are still surviving are using capitalism to prop them up;
China/Cuba/etc

And Communist places without capitalism to prop it up?.....North Korea....and how are they making out????

[goinbroke2]

these god damn Europeans coming on this thread like the age of discovery, taking over then place.

Yes. From time to time Europeans like visiting America.
First came the vikings, they had a few weeks fun with the Indians, borrowed a few things and returned home, because the beer of the Indians was not really palatable.
Later there was a rumor about gold, land, women, meat filled bread and flat screens for free, so all the scum from Europe sloped over the ocean and they didn't find home again.
What happens today, only future generations can judge.

History from the other side. I can't believe, the bullshit I write is NOT off-topic.

That's one way to look at it I suppose.....or you could look at it that some people who couldn't stand being mindless sheep in a hard left wing socialist society or (in other countries) a "class" structure and moved to a country (or countries) where everyone was treated equal, not shit on just because their parents were shit on and their grandparents were shit on and their kids would someday be shit on. They moved and improved their life....but of course that only worked for those that wanted to work hard and better themselves, they lazy fucks that wanted to suck off the socialist government teat remained in Europe.

But I will accept your premise that the beer is better in Germany!