MountedGoat wrote: we have gas stations with BioDiesel around here and they are charging $4.70.
Considering bio has more BTU's per pound than dino diesel, thus more power and better mileage, that's a fair price comparitavely.
Still sucks though.
Reg unlead was 3.76 this AM.
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Uncle Jesse wrote:I hear diesel is so expensive at the moment because many Europeans are driving turbo-diesels (I drive one too.) I don't believe that excuse though.
Might be right, there is a diesel boom here all right, but that might be local (Sweden), mostly due to adjusted taxes.
I heard the high diesel price was due to a cold winter in north America, but that wouldnt explain its continuing rise this time of the year. Ours was warm.
Btw, 1 litre petrol is US$ 2.30/AU$ 2.40/Euro 1.50
Diesel is AU$ 2.50/ US$ 2.35 / Euro 1.55
Yall are gonna hate me for this, but oil is WAY too important to squander as fuel for innefficient internalcombustion engines.
Our childrens children will need the little remanin' oil for plastics and such.
I hope gas and diesel get up near the 10$ a gallon range. Then two things will happen: The stubborn hold-outs will be drivin' cars that get 50 and 60 mpg, and the rest of us will have better public transportation and electric vehicles.
Think about what I'm sayin' before flamin' me please.
PS: Cellulostic ethanol is the only "savior" I see for our beloved internal cumbustion engines.
I completely agree with you THM. There are other ways to go about it. Check this out, I remember about eight months ago when this was released, http://www.teslamotors.com/ and everyone was in shock. Electric cars are pathetic, going 45mph (56kph) and having a range of 30mi (48km) and aren't worth their value. That is where this Tesla car comes in. Amazing and doesn't use gas. Pricey little thing, not yet viable for the consumer market ($10k-$30k), but a step in the right direction. It's priced at $109,000 US
so far not really going to do anything but add another vehicle to the road. Though in the future it will more than likely be more. One of those things where it is out of the price range of being practical. I see it being taken up more in the city, Europe and maybe Japan. US, OZ, Central and South America and Africa are not really going to be doing much me thinks. Needs less space and more money to operate. We in the US and Oz have the wide open spaces and it wouldn't get us from one city to the next. SF to LA = 6 Hours, Sydney to Melbourne = 12 hours. All equals not practical yet
Even I agree with that. I want higher prices, even though its a pain in the wallet. That will speed up the development of the alternatives.
Thinking of it, most of my daily driving could be done with an electric car of todays standard. I leave the kids at school, go to work, maybe some shopping. Very seldom more than 60 km/40miles, and dont need to drive on any road with a speed limit above 70 km/h /45 mph.
Weekends are different, so I'd need anaother car too.
Its the price and availability that stops me.
This cant be political if everyone agrees, can it?
Another vote for higher prices on hydrocarbon fuels. It will hurt, but nowhere as much as keeping them low will, because we won't make the necessary changes in time and we are already in serious danger of leaving it too late.
Oil is already sitting on $120 a barrel and it will almost certainly hit at least $200 within maybe 3 years. We will never see cheap oil again.
I am already looking at getting rid of the car and going back to a medium size motorbike/scooter. And I am not alone in that. Bike sales are rising fast the world over.
The massive hydrocarbon party is just about over, and the hangover is going to be a real humdinger.
$1.76 a litre for Diesel now.
What you guys seem to be missing,is every time oil increases, so does,tyres,food prices and pretty much every thing else that has to be transported by road,rail or air
I need diesel to run my bus company and have just bought to new buses.I carnt see them bring out a new engine(electric,hydro)that will be feasible, the same goes for trucks
jdonly1 wrote:$1.76 a litre for Diesel now.
What you guys seem to be missing,is every time oil increases, so does,tyres,food prices and pretty much every thing else that has to be transported by road,rail or air
No, I don't think we do miss that. What we are saying is that, unless we can come up with a comparable alternative fuel source (and we have not yet even come close), then we are going to have to restructure our societies and lives to need much less liquid fuel based transport, and that is not going to be easy.
So the sooner we get on with doing it the better, and higher fuel prices is a very good way of encouraging the process along, though not without considerable pain. But what is the alternative? Fuel prices are already high, and are only going to get higher. It is already happening.
jdonly1 wrote:$1.76 a litre for Diesel now.
What you guys seem to be missing,is every time oil increases, so does,tyres,food prices and pretty much every thing else that has to be transported by road,rail or air
No, I don't think we do miss that. What we are saying is that, unless we can come up with a comparable alternative fuel source (and we have not yet even come close), then we are going to have to restructure our societies and lives to need much less liquid fuel based transport, and that is not going to be easy.
So the sooner we get on with doing it the better, and higher fuel prices is a very good way of encouraging the process along, though not without considerable pain. But what is the alternative? Fuel prices are already high, and are only going to get higher. It is already happening.
There is no doubt some thing need to be done What what do you propose is done
There are billions and billions of dollars of vehicles and equipment around now,I just hope they can come up with some thing simple and cost effective
Diesel is $1.84 a litre here now,it goes up pretty much every week and is about 30 cents a litre dearer than unleaded Might have to look at getting the buses on gas I think
A $1.60 a litre here at the moment. I reckon it'll soon be $2.00. Who the hell can afford this price? If I lived in a city I'd sell my car, but I don't live in a city ... AND ... never will again, so I guess I'll be peddling the ten miles into town soon, or give up my visits to the pub.
That's getting bloody expensive too!!!! Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I figure it will be $4.00 a gallon here before Monday. We aren't doing anything but paying ransom because we didn't keep trying to perfect alternative fuel sources in the past.
News artical said we have at least one station in town at 4.05 a gallon. Won't take the rest long to catch up.
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Damn it feels good to be donating so much of our money to terrorist nations!
Either we say Fk-off to the environMENTAL extremists and tap a few of our own oil fields, plus build a few more refineries (short term plan), or we can can look forward to this trend worsening...
-Long term serious alternatives HAVE to be explored, and implemented. I look forward to the day the bastards have nothing but sand to sell.
As-Ol-Joe wrote:I figure it will be $4.00 a gallon here before Monday. We aren't doing anything but paying ransom because we didn't keep trying to perfect alternative fuel sources in the past.
$4.15 at one station in the crumbling village. The other had it at $4.09 (until the next shipment comes in )
I think I remember seeing a news article that Mobil had $11 Billion in profit in the last quarter.
Exxon Mobil earned more than $1,287 of profit for every second of 2007.
Now if they invested that money to bring back unused farmland to grow corn for fuel ethanol, it wouldn't be so bad, but you know they won't.
Might have to look at getting the buses on gas I think
Keep on Stillin' 
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