white dog from time...

[junkyard dawg]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 22,00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

[Whitedog]

Looks as if we are trendy and all the rave! ... WD

[LWTCS]

As flattering as some of these articles can be, I always seem to sense a kind of negative vibe.

Be interesting to issue a kind of refutation to address this negative kind of disbelief that a high quality base material can be strictly stilled and be better than a store bought burbon.

Mission for SB.

Dunno why that is so hard to beleive. I get better meals at home too. Why is that easier to understand?

[Whitedog]

I would just as soon they kept believing that the good stuff is unachievable.... when more people figure it out, the more the IRS is going to be nosing around 'cause their missing out on too many taxes... 'course that might help legalize it, everywhere but the Bible belt anyways... ...WD

[ScottishBoy]

As flattering as some of these articles can be, I always seem to sense a kind of negative vibe.

Be interesting to issue a kind of refutation to address this negative kind of disbelief that a high quality base material can be strictly stilled and be better than a store bought burbon.

Mission for SB.
Dunno why that is so hard to beleive. I get better meals at home too. Why is that easier to understand?

What did I just get signed up for?

[father william]

As flattering as some of these articles can be, I always seem to sense a kind of negative vibe.

When's the last time anyone on this board bought a full page advertisement in Time, the NYT, etc?

Absolut, Bacardi, Jack Daniels, et al spend millions every year with the MSM advertising their products. We not only don't pay the IRS, we don't pay the media either.

So they're always going to give the little guy the stink eye and insinuate blindness, death, etc. even if what we make is cleaner than the commercial stuff.

(btw, I logged on to post this link, but the dawg beat me to it )

[LWTCS]

What did I just get signed up for?

Tswhachu get for being the resident Wordsmith.

Seriously though, I can see you now standing upon your soap box,,,,,.....

[blanikdog]

You're the man, SB.

blanik

[ScottishBoy]

Yeah...but Im not an Aussie or NZ'er.....I'm from one of "those" countries....

I suppose I could kick the idea around...but where to start...

[ScottishBoy]

Okay, Im writing a Manifesto, but I need a name for our group. I was thinking International Association of Home Distillers, but IAHD sounds too much like ADHD.
So then I was thinking Multinational (MAHD) but that sounds too much like MADD (Mothers against Drunk Driving)

Any suggestions would be appreciated...


Right now Im working on the proper blend of wording to convey willingness to comply with law/ justification for the hobby/distancing ourselves from the crime aspect. I think it's coming along well. Im even considering asking my Congressman for a sit down.

SB

[father william]

Okay, Im writing a Manifesto, but I need a name for our group. I was thinking International Association of Home Distillers, but IAHD sounds too much like ADHD.
So then I was thinking Multinational (MAHD) but that sounds too much like MADD (Mothers against Drunk Driving)

Any suggestions would be appreciated...


Right now Im working on the proper blend of wording to convey willingness to comply with law/ justification for the hobby/distancing ourselves from the crime aspect. I think it's coming along well. Im even considering asking my Congressman for a sit down.

SB

MAHD also sounds like Mahdi, the Shiite savior. Definitely a mixed message there.

Don't really think you need a group OR a group name. What we do is by definition unorganized. Your opinion as an individual has worth even if it doesn't represent an organization.

I'd compare and contrast the enlightened policy of New Zealand, where home distillation has been legal for nearly 15 years, with the nightmarish scenario described here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 73041.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

On the one hand you have a growing body of artisanal distillers obsessed with quality (and ably represented here, of course). On the other, fecal water, Jet Fuel and 'kill me quick.'

The Internet allows the ignorant but interested to quickly learn new skills, a big difference from the old days when the craft was handed down generationally. Someone not taught by a craftsman was liable to produce an inferior or even unsafe product. Much easier to do it right from the beginning when the information is freely available. I seriously doubt if ANYONE who is producing liquor solely for their own consumption wants to produce anything but a safe, high quality product.

One of the recent articles quoted Max Watman saying "All of them!" when asked how many of the legal artisanal distillers in the US started out as moonshiners. These people are creating exciting new products, jobs, and wealth. As these small distillers grow, they will at some point start selling product outside the US, helping the balance of trade, etc. Definitely worth mentioning.

The historic aspect of home distillation in the US is worth touching upon. George Washington made his own rye whiskey. Why can't I?

[ScottishBoy]

Basically you cant create a minifesto unless you have an organization to refer to. Otherwise its a well worded personal opinion.
Organization would be the key to unlocking the door to legalization.

If we are going to legalize it, we must become organized and present our case in a well mannered, legal way.
Something tells me the time is approaching where this could be done.

[Whitedog]

International Organization for Legalized Safe Recreational Distillation of Alcohol .... IOLSRDA

Organized Safe Home Distillation Advocates..... OSHDA..... Sounds kinda governmental....

Advocates for the Legalization of Recreational Distilling.... ALRD

Just some brainstorming.... Seed for thought....

[father william]

Basically you cant create a minifesto unless you have an organization to refer to. Otherwise its a well worded personal opinion.
Organization would be the key to unlocking the door to legalization.

If we are going to legalize it, we must become organized and present our case in a well mannered, legal way.
Something tells me the time is approaching where this could be done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

A manifesto is a public declaration of principles and intentions, often political in nature. Manifestos relating to religious belief are generally referred to as a creed. Manifestos may also be life stance-related.

There are plenty of personal manifestos listed there, and some which are organizational. You can have your own, personal manifesto. It's allowed.

[LWTCS]

Perhaps a bit of language that excludes HD and yet recognizes that a large percentage of HD membership subscribes to the language within your,,,,,,,,,,,,mission statement/manifesto.

Only kidding bout you whippin up a statement. But very good initiative.

WTG SB

[ScottishBoy]

Basically you cant create a minifesto unless you have an organization to refer to. Otherwise its a well worded personal opinion.
Organization would be the key to unlocking the door to legalization.

If we are going to legalize it, we must become organized and present our case in a well mannered, legal way.
Something tells me the time is approaching where this could be done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

A manifesto is a public declaration of principles and intentions, often political in nature. Manifestos relating to religious belief are generally referred to as a creed. Manifestos may also be life stance-related.

There are plenty of personal manifestos listed there, and some which are organizational. You can have your own, personal manifesto. It's allowed.

You, of course, know that an action such as that will benefit nobody but myself...I seek to benefit us all.

[father william]

As an addendum, Thomas Paine wrote several of the most effective manifestos in the history of mankind.

He acted alone, represented no one but himself, and changed the world.

After the Revolution, when his writing turned towards criticizing organized religion, the same people who formerly cheered him cheerfully disowned him.

Go figure.

[Rabies]

if we were to create a manifesto, creed, ten commandments, or whatever, I say we call ourselves the
Bureau for the Legalization of Individual Nonprofit Distillation or BLIND

hehe

[Dnderhead]

if you start a organization, whould members be able to join anonymously? and if so whould they be counted? not to many whould join if they had to put their name on the line. I myself whould, but my situation a bit different.

[ScottishBoy]

Im thinking that members would want to join anonymously...for uhmmm....privacy reasons...

Basically the organization would be the members of this bourd. But if you create an organization , then it may have an extra 1 or 2 % leaning into a favorable impression. Legal institutions and governments TEND to listen to better titled groups because it shows more thought put into the process than a simple internet petition. IE "we play by their rules".
I think I have succesfully made the arguement that we are being treated unfairly. I have a few mods looking over the intial draft to see if it holds water. It was difficult to find the right tone for the declaration. Im shooting for a "we are good people and we see this rule as unfair, BUT we want to get it legal the right way"
Initial comments were positive though...