A little different condenser

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A little different condenser

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I set up my new column a few weeks ago to run some vodka and decided to use my little water pump instead of the house water. Recycling water is very appealing to me.
I connected all the hoses and fired up the pump. It pushed water through the leibig condenser just fine but didn’t push any water at all through the coiled reflux condenser on top of the column.
I switched the water off to the leibig and the pump still wouldn’t push any water through the coil. I figured that the coil was providing too much resistance (being only ¼” tubing).
So I built a condenser that had much less resistance to flow. I used standard ½” copper pipe and managed to stuff 4 of them in a 2” pipe, with clearance around all 4 of them. Normal fittings were too big so I drilled 3/8” holes in the end caps and soldered in little pieces of 3/8” tubing to connect them.
The pipes are 14” long and extend past the outer 2” cover and into the column. They stick about half way down into the “T” fitting where the takeoff lives. This gives me a little more cooling in that area so I can better control any vapor that tries to slip by.
I calculated the total surface area of this unit, and it is about the same as a 144” (12 feet) of coiled ¼” tubing.
I am posting this because it is a good alternative to a coiled condenser. It’s easy to make, cheap and very sturdy for hooking up to external hoses.
However, it didn’t solve my problem. I didn’t even consider the height factor when I hastily switched condensers. It turns out that my little pump simply can’t push water that high. It’s more of a high volume than a high pressure pump.
I still have one more hope, and that is to charge the whole system with water and then start the pump, counting on the siphoning effect of the return water to be enough to overcome the height problem.
Anyway, I like this new condenser better because I have gotten away from ¼” tubing altogether.
Here are the finished guts:
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Here is the end detail showing the 3/8” connectors:
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End holes:
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Complete condenser:
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Nice job looks similer to whats I think called a shot gun condenser.
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tater wrote:Nice job looks similer to whats I think called a shot gun condenser.
I tried to find a description or a detailed picture of a shotgun condenser just the other day. I found a picture of the outside of one but not the innards.
I figured this type of condenser must have been made before by someone since it's so simple. However, I couldn't find anything on Tony's site or on the wiki. Maybe somebody with knowledge about a shotgun condenser could enlighten us.
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Post by Griff7887 »

I'm not expert but i'm pretty sure a shotgun condensor doesn't have a direct tubing path.

I was thinking it was like a large pipe where the vapors come in, condense in the air in there because it is soaked with alcohol vapor, and then leave out the bottem tube.
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This came from parent sight. Shotgun condenser made from of an old, antique copper fire extiguisher. Cut both the ends off and sand everything inside and out. Clean it to the "eat off of it" stage. Cold water enters the shotgun condenser from the bottom and exits the top to force the hot water out and this always keeps the bottom part of the condenser way-cool.A shotgun condenser is basically a condenser with a water jacket too cool the steam and it has dozens of 3/8" copper line that the steam goes through. It's kinda hard to explain. Where the steam goes through looks like the business end of a gatlin gun. Bore two holes in the jacket about 3" from each end and solder a brass hose copper garden hose connector in it, top and bottom. On the one you use for the bottom, you will put a spigot used to regulate the amount of cool water coming into the condenser. On the top one you'll attach a garden hose and lay it out where the hot water can drain off the top of the condenser. Two copper sheet circles are cut and clamped together and numerous holes drilled through them. The circles are placed inside the copper jacket and spot soldered.(silver) in place with a few pieces of the 3/8" line in to keep things lined up good. The lines are cut about 4" shorter than the jacket. Start putting the lines in and soldering them in place and solder the circles in good, top and bottom. On the first run, you'll be able to tell if you have any leaks or not. you can fix them if it does. Make a tight fitting cap for the top to be sealed/pasted on with corn meal and water. The bottom does not require a tight fit at all. It is just there to collect the alcohol as it comes through and then out to the jug/bucket. With a shotgun condenser, you can fire the still as hard as you want to and you'll have no problem with it not keeping up. That's why people who do volume like them so much.
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Thanks Tater. I guess it isn't a shotgun after all.
Really it's just a folded pipe.
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Heres more condensers http://homedistiller.org/wiki/index.php/Condenser" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
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Swag, Nice condenser, I like it, good idea, and nice work. Looks like it should have been a good idea. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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nice done!!
it's not a shotgun condenser, there the water enters one side and leaves at the other side, and it's generally hold horizontally. strange you didn't find a picture of it, they do exist.

does it work propperly? it has less surface then a coil.
-I have too much blood in my alcohol system-
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nice done!!
it's not a shotgun condenser, there the water enters one side and leaves at the other side, and it's generally hold horizontally. strange you didn't find a picture of it, they do exist.

does it work propperly? it has less surface then a coil.
Thanks.:D
This condenser has 56" of pipe and 112 sq in. of surface area. You would have to wind a coil with 140" of 1/4" tubing to have as much surface area.
The pipes all have at least 1/8" clearance between each other and a minimum 1/4" clearance from the outer shell. This allows vapor to freely come in contact with all parts of the condenser.
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Swag, Nice condenser, I like it, good idea, and nice work. Looks like it should have been a good idea. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Thanks, my pleasure. I hope somebody else can use it.
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