Solderless Copper Bonding

[Grayson_Stewart]

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kyrustic
(stranger)
10/12/04 06:40 AM
Solderless Copper Bonding



Has anyone tried JUST-FOR-COPPER? Here is what the manufacturer says about it:

JUST-FOR-COPPER™ / JACO™ Solderless Copper Bonding provides a cold weld between rigid copper pipe and copper fittings and connectors. It is as permanent and durable as a hot solder weld, and is an innovative solution to the time consuming and potentially dangerous hot soldering method of connecting rigid copper pipe to connectors and fittings.

JUST-FOR-COPPER™ Solderless Copper Bonding is the easiest, fastest way (up to 70% faster than hot solder welding) to permanently install or repair rigid copper pipe in residential homes, apartments, farms, barns, office buildings, strip shopping centers, shopping malls, and industrial complexes.

It can be used on all rigid copper pipes, fittings, and connectors that carry water, including potable water, as well as natural and LPG gas.

FEATURES & BENEFITS:

Saves 70% in installation and repair time
Easy to use by professional or DIY'er
Non-toxic and 100% safe to use on potable water as well as natural and LPG gas copper lines
Safe to use -- no fire or burn risk compared to open flame soldering
No taste or odor when cured
Superior weld strength! 500 psi official rating

You can find it at: http://www.justforcopper.com/cb1.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Let me know if it can be used in still making.


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nzbourbonhead
(newbie)
10/12/04 12:32 PM
Re: Solderless Copper Bonding [re: kyrustic]



asked them via email if it would affect ethynol or if ethynol would affect it and here is what they said
Hi:



JFC is impervious to ethanol.



Regards,

Miles Jackson


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cartouche
(member)
10/12/04 12:45 PM
Re: Solderless Copper Bonding [re: nzbourbonhead]



I understand the value of a product like this when heat could affect the surroundings, but soldering is not that hard and why take risks ?
The least chemichals are in contact with your product, the better it is !

C.

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Yttrium
(member)
10/12/04 04:47 PM
Re: Solderless Copper Bonding [re: cartouche]



I used something called JB Waterweld to add viewing ports to my boiler. I'm guessing it is probably similiar to "Just for copper." It is a good sealant, and it has held up to many distillations. However, as my soldering skills have improved, I'd probably use solder if I were to make the same type of connection today.

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thedude
(journeyman)
10/12/04 05:05 PM
Re: Solderless Copper Bonding [re: Yttrium]



wouldnt JB weld leech into your product?

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Yttrium
(member)
10/12/04 06:05 PM
Re: Solderless Copper Bonding [re: thedude]



Traditional JB weld would leach into the product, JB waterweld is a bit different. From the JB weld site:



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WATERWELD can be formed, drilled, ground, tapped, machined, filled, sanded, and painted. It stays pliable for about 2 minutes after mixing, sets in just 20 minutes, and cures fully in just a few hours. It's water-proof; petroleum-, chemical-, and acid-resistent; resists shock, vibration, and extreme temperature fluctuations, and withstands temperatures up to 300º F. WATERWELD is super strong, non-toxic, and safe to use. Before it sets, you can clean up with soap and water. (print out instruction sheet)



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WATERWELD is approved by the National Sanitation Foundation for use with potable water (meaning you can drink safely from fresh water pipes or utinsels repaired with it).



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pothead
(addict)
10/13/04 05:21 AM
Re: Solderless Copper Bonding [re: kyrustic]



Here is some info on just-for-copper
I. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION PRODUCT No’s 010 and 050

PRODUCT NAME: JUST-FOR-COPPER (Cold Welding For Rigid Copper Pipes) Issued: 05/12/03
PRODUCT TYPE: (Esther Methacrylate)
FORMULA No. : Does not apply

Ÿ COMPANY IDENTIFICATION AND TELEPHONE NUMBER.
Jackson Industries, Inc. , 1 Deer Path, Suite 3, Maynard, MA 01754
Phone Toll Free: 888-704-0015 or 508-932-5205 or 5208
E-mail : info@justforcopper.com Web: www.justforcopper.com

II. COMPOSITION

Ingredients CAS No.
Dimethacrylate 25852-47-5
Bisphenol A fumarate resin 39382-25-7
CUSMENE HYDROPEROXIDE* 80-15-9
SACCHARIN* 81-07-2
N , N-Dialkyltoluidines 613-48-9
ACRYLIC ACID 79-10-7

III. CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL PROPERTIES

Vapor Pressure: Less than 5mm at 80°F
Vapor Density: Not available
Solubility in water: Slight
Specific Gravity: 1.10 at 80° F
Boiling Point: More than 300° F
Volatile Organic Compound
(EPA Method 24) 10.0%
Evaporation Rate
(Ether = 1) Not available
ph:. Does not apply
Appearance: Amber Liquid
Odor: Mild

IV. SPILL OR LEAK AND DISPOSAL PROCEDURES

Steps to be taken in case
Of spill or leak: Soak up with an inert absorbent.Store in partly
Filled, closed container until disposal.
Recommended methods
Of disposal: Incinerate following EPA and local regulations.

V. STORAGE AND HANDLING PROCEDURES

Storage: Store below 80 ° F to achieve maximum shelf life.
Handling: Avoid prologed skin contact. Keep away from eyes.





VI. REACTIVITY DATA

Stability: Stable
Hazardous Polymerization: Will Not Occur
Hazardous Decomposition
Products (non-thermal): None
Incompatability: None

VII. PERSONAL PROTECTION

Eyes: Safety glasses or goggles.
Skin: Rubber or plastic gloves.
Ventilation: Does not apply.


VIII. EMERGENCY TREATMENT PROCEDURES

Ingestion: Do not induce vomiting. Keep individual calm.
Obtain medical attention.
Inhalation: Does not apply
Skin Contact: Flush wiht water
Eye Contact: Flush at least 15 minutes with water. Obtain medical attention.

IX. HEALTH HAZARD DATA

Toxicity: Eye irritant.
Estimated oral LD50 more than 5000mg/kg.
Estimated dermal LD50 more than 2000mg/kg.
Primary Routes of Entry: None known
Signs ad Symptoms of Esposure: May cause dermatitis on prolonged contact in sensitive individuals.
Existing Conditions