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hi im going to make birdwacthers wash and was woundering about distillers yeast instead of bakers. if i use distillers yeast do i still need to put in the tomato past and lemons? or if i end up useing bakers does it matter what kind? please help thanks akrandy

With Distillers Yeast you are running a turbo wash and tomato paste would not be required... And that would not be a Birdwatchers wash... You'd be further ahead doing a standard Birdwatchers wash as per the original recipe... Avoid the temptation to fall victim to the greed factor that turbo yeast lures unknowing novices towards...

right on thanks for the info i will go with the bakers yeast. does it matter what kind? or is there a certain brand that stick out, thats better or does it not matter?

No doesn't matter what brand .I myself like Fleischmann's myself.

dry yeast or instant? for the bakers is what i ment

akrandy wrote:dry yeast or instant? for the bakers is what i ment

They work equally well, for the most part... "Quik-Rise" or "Instant" merely has a bit of ascorbic acid added which, when used to make bread rise, causes more rapid CO2 production and can also help slow or stop the rise after a period of time... The ascorbic acid also has a preservative trait to it but this is not the intended purpose when added to bakers yeast...

I prefer standard Fleischmann's bakers yeast over "instant" or "Quik-Rise"...

awesome thanks for your time and knowlage. off to the store i go, i will use your recomendation thanks akrandy

rad14701 wrote:With Distillers Yeast you are running a turbo wash and tomato paste would not be required... And that would not be a Birdwatchers wash... You'd be further ahead doing a standard Birdwatchers wash as per the original recipe... Avoid the temptation to fall victim to the greed factor that turbo yeast lures unknowing novices towards...

so CB DADY is turbo yeast?

astronomical wrote:

rad14701 wrote:With Distillers Yeast you are running a turbo wash and tomato paste would not be required... And that would not be a Birdwatchers wash... You'd be further ahead doing a standard Birdwatchers wash as per the original recipe... Avoid the temptation to fall victim to the greed factor that turbo yeast lures unknowing novices towards...

so CB DADY is turbo yeast?

CB DADY is not a turbo.

Big R

From day one, I've always used CB Distillers yeast (1/4 cup to 6 gal ferment) = no problem .........

I have read that Distillers yeast is optimized at 90+/- deg.
Is a lower temp of 70-80 deg an issue?
Thanks

In most cases lower temp means slower ferment, this can be a good thing to a certain extent. Too low temp can stall a ferment but 70°F-80°F should be fine and may even prevent some off-flavors associated with higher temp fermentation. I believe bread yeast does very well in the 80°F range.

rad14701 wrote:With Distillers Yeast you are running a turbo wash and tomato paste would not be required... And that would not be a Birdwatchers wash... You'd be further ahead doing a standard Birdwatchers wash as per the original recipe... Avoid the temptation to fall victim to the greed factor that turbo yeast lures unknowing novices towards...

I use a distillers yeast that isn't a turbo. It does well for hot summer time ferments

I find the CB distillers yeast a little more tolerant of temp swings and does well at higher temperatures. Bakers yeast adds a nice rich flavor in grain ferments. I stay 8-10% ABV washes with bakers yeast and go 10-12% with distillers yeast. Distillers yeast seems cleaner tasting. Just my opinion.

On my next batch I'm going to try distillers yeast. And then I'll post the results as far as tast goes

I e-mailed Crosby& Baker a good while ago and got them to send me the data sheet on the C&B DADY. It made by Fermentis (A French company) and it is a S. cerevisiae strain specially designed for grain mash ferments for whiskeys. It is best for ferments at 85-89F (doesn't do that well over 90F) and has an alcohol tolerance of about 13%. It also work best when re-hydrated before pitching. Pitching rate should be 1-2 teaspoons/5 gal depending of specific gravity.

Big R

rtalbigr wrote:I e-mailed Crosby& Baker a good while ago and got them to send me the data sheet on the C&B DADY. It made by Fermentis (A French company) and it is a S. cerevisiae strain specially designed for grain mash ferments for whiskeys. It is best for ferments at 85-89F (doesn't do that well over 90F) and has an alcohol tolerance of about 13%. It also work best when re-hydrated before pitching. Pitching rate should be 1-2 teaspoons/5 gal depending of specific gravity.

Big R

Big R, Is C&B DADY something different than what I purchase as C&B distillers yeast? What is the “DADY” acronym?
Thanks, MR

mash rookie wrote:
Big R, Is C&B DADY something different than what I purchase as C&B distillers yeast? What is the “DADY” acronym?
Thanks, MR

DADY is Distiller's Active Dry Yeast. I would think it is the same. Mine comes in a gold colored foil 1 lb pack.

Big R

MR - I just went and got some today. My package has Distiller's Yeast in bold and in small print under says Distiller's Active Dry Yeast. So I about positive they're the same.

Big R

The C&B distillers' yeast I have is from Alltech, not Fermentis. The Fermentis stuff I also have costs about 10x as much.

So have either of you use the distillers yeast in the birdwatchers ? how does it taste and does it do the same as Baker's yeast

akrandy wrote:So have either of you use the distillers yeast in the birdwatchers ? how does it taste and does it do the same as Baker's yeast

I just finished a batch of Birdwatchers made with C&D distillers yeast. It works just fine. Most importantly, don't worry, be patient and give whatever yeast you used time to do its thing.

Right on thanks