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Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:31 am
by vance71975
After i run my first pass, lets say i collect 4 quarts, how many quarts should i be aiming to collect on the Second and third pass? Should i be cutting the collected amount in half? Say collect 4 quarts, run those four again and collect 2, run those 2 a third time and collect 1 quart? Take into consideration i do not have any way to measure the Proof no can i afford to buy that equipment right now, so a good old fashion pre-new-fangled-equiptment guess is what i need.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:30 am
by Coyote
An alcohol hydrometer is like 10 or 12 bucks at almost any beer shop

Best investment you can make.

Running a pot still if you collect down to say 30%

then dilute to under 40% and re-distill to you should
end up with just over 1/2 of your first run but at higher strength

ie: if your first run averages 60% or 120 proof. Your second run
should come off at 80 % or 160 proof.

Be aware that every time you run hooch through the still you will lose
a bit of flavor.

Coyote

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:14 am
by vance71975
Coyote wrote:An alcohol hydrometer is like 10 or 12 bucks at almost any beer shop

Best investment you can make.

Running a pot still if you collect down to say 30%

then dilute to under 40% and re-distill to you should
end up with just over 1/2 of your first run but at higher strength

ie: if your first run averages 60% or 120 proof. Your second run
should come off at 80 % or 160 proof.

Be aware that every time you run hooch through the still you will lose
a bit of flavor.

Coyote
I plan to back flavor with Herbs and Spices so i am not to worried about losing flavor. When i have the extra 10 bucks i do plan to pick one up, i just don't know when that will be, so i do kinda need a formula that i can work with that doesn't involve one. I know the Old Timers back in the day 100 years ago didn't use one, they had to have some formula that worked based of the volume they collected.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:20 am
by Coyote
There was a post about using an egg to test % but I can't find it
nor remember what it was.

I do think it was posted by a member across the pond

Coyote

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:16 pm
by Dnderhead
the egg works in wash/mash not in high proof.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:14 pm
by fullhouse
the ol timers did it mostly by experience taught to them by their grand father,father ,unkle, brother or lol their granny!
there ways to tell to get close but i would suggest getting a alcohol meter for the 10 bucks unless u know of one of these ol timers to teach u the ways

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:50 pm
by Prairiepiss
Here is a great thread to help you with that. It can be found in the must read new distiller reading lounge.

How much will I get from my still?
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 46&t=30266

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:19 am
by rad14701
vance71975 wrote:After i run my first pass, lets say i collect 4 quarts, how many quarts should i be aiming to collect on the Second and third pass? Should i be cutting the collected amount in half? Say collect 4 quarts, run those four again and collect 2, run those 2 a third time and collect 1 quart? Take into consideration i do not have any way to measure the Proof no can i afford to buy that equipment right now, so a good old fashion pre-new-fangled-equiptment guess is what i need.
I'm going to be what you might consider a pain in the ass but this is yet another example of the need for ample research... The information really is here and it is up to you to do independent research rather than expecting to be spoon fed... Here's how it works... You do research and you learn answers to questions you don't even know you have yet... That is the exact reason why you'll see that we stress the research aspect of this hobby... What you don't know can seriously hurt or kill someone... Slow it down and get a grasp of things, and don't expect a few hours as enough research because many members have been reading for months or years and continue to learn - even Admins, Moderators, and Mentors... Don't take it as an insult when we say to do research as it's just what we expect because we know it helps...

Go forth and study... :eugeek:

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:48 am
by vance71975
rad14701 wrote:
vance71975 wrote:After i run my first pass, lets say i collect 4 quarts, how many quarts should i be aiming to collect on the Second and third pass? Should i be cutting the collected amount in half? Say collect 4 quarts, run those four again and collect 2, run those 2 a third time and collect 1 quart? Take into consideration i do not have any way to measure the Proof no can i afford to buy that equipment right now, so a good old fashion pre-new-fangled-equiptment guess is what i need.
I'm going to be what you might consider a pain in the ass but this is yet another example of the need for ample research... The information really is here and it is up to you to do independent research rather than expecting to be spoon fed... Here's how it works... You do research and you learn answers to questions you don't even know you have yet... That is the exact reason why you'll see that we stress the research aspect of this hobby... What you don't know can seriously hurt or kill someone... Slow it down and get a grasp of things, and don't expect a few hours as enough research because many members have been reading for months or years and continue to learn - even Admins, Moderators, and Mentors... Don't take it as an insult when we say to do research as it's just what we expect because we know it helps...

Go forth and study... :eugeek:
I don't take it as an insult, but i also do not take it as helpful either. If i wanted to "research" i would not be on a forum asking questions, i would just read a shit ton of books or forum posts. The whole point of ANY forum is to Speed up the process of learning by asking questions and to ask questions in general. Being told to research is the forum equivalent of someone in real life saying to you, "your just not worth the 5 mins it would take me to answer." Which on many forums is considered rude.

Look at what you typed, unless your a computer nerd like i am, that took some time to type out, in the same amount of time that you spent typing a "go research blow off" you could have simply answered the question.Unless of course you don't know the answer, in which case, there is really no reason to post in the first place. Unless of course you just wanted a chance to be a jerk.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:51 am
by rumbuff
vance71975 wrote:
I don't take it as an insult, but i also do not take it as helpful either. If i wanted to "research" i would not be on a forum asking questions, i would just read a shit ton of books or forum posts. The whole point of ANY forum is to Speed up the process of learning by asking questions and to ask questions in general. Being told to research is the forum equivalent of someone in real life saying to you, "your just not worth the 5 mins it would take me to answer." Which on many forums is considered rude.

Look at what you typed, unless your a computer nerd like i am, that took some time to type out, in the same amount of time that you spent typing a "go research blow off" you could have simply answered the question.Unless of course you don't know the answer, in which case, there is really no reason to post in the first place. Unless of course you just wanted a chance to be a jerk.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Sound familiar? After this question, there'd be another, and another, and another. Answering your questions doesn't help you at all, because you still have no idea how to do it yourself. My tag says novice too, but I've done my research and can make pretty good booze, without any real trouble. These guys are full of experience and knowledge and the answers are here. Calling out somebody as being a jerk will generally not aid you in getting help, especially a respected member like Rad.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:08 am
by Washashore
+1 on that. If you understood Rads post it would have occurred to you that you will find answers to questions you didn't even know you had.

Also, you are incorrect in the "point of forums"; the point is not to spoonfeed and DEFINITELY NOT to speed up the process, the point is to answer questions from those who have done thorough research and are still unable to find an answer. If you don't have the time or patience then you should find a different hobby perhaps. Your questions are very elementary--by the time it took you to respond to Rads post you could have used the search feature and found the answer on your own....it's a two way street.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:13 am
by vance71975
Washashore wrote:+1 on that. If you understood Rads post it would have occurred to you that you will find answers to questions you didn't even know you had.

Also, you are incorrect in the "point of forums"; the point is not to spoonfeed and DEFINITELY NOT to speed up the process, the point is to answer questions from those who have done thorough research and are still unable to find an answer. If you don't have the time or patience then you should find a different hobby perhaps. Your questions are very elementary--by the time it took you to respond to Rads post you could have used the search feature and found the answer on your own....it's a two way street.
Did it ever occur to you that i HAD searched and didnt want to spend the next 48 hours sifting through hundreds of posts to find an answer that a polite forum member could give in 5mins or less.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:20 am
by vance71975
rumbuff wrote:
vance71975 wrote:
I don't take it as an insult, but i also do not take it as helpful either. If i wanted to "research" i would not be on a forum asking questions, i would just read a shit ton of books or forum posts. The whole point of ANY forum is to Speed up the process of learning by asking questions and to ask questions in general. Being told to research is the forum equivalent of someone in real life saying to you, "your just not worth the 5 mins it would take me to answer." Which on many forums is considered rude.

Look at what you typed, unless your a computer nerd like i am, that took some time to type out, in the same amount of time that you spent typing a "go research blow off" you could have simply answered the question.Unless of course you don't know the answer, in which case, there is really no reason to post in the first place. Unless of course you just wanted a chance to be a jerk.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Sound familiar? After this question, there'd be another, and another, and another. Answering your questions doesn't help you at all, because you still have no idea how to do it yourself. My tag says novice too, but I've done my research and can make pretty good booze, without any real trouble. These guys are full of experience and knowledge and the answers are here. Calling out somebody as being a jerk will generally not aid you in getting help, especially a respected member like Rad.
Just because someone is a "respected member" does not make them immune to being called out for being a jerk when they are in fact being a jerk. As far as another and another and another, i have very few questions, the process is pretty simple and straight forward. Sorry to say, i have a Life and kids and have better things to do then spend days sorting through hundreds of thousands of posts looking for the answer to a simple question.

Here is a saying for you, "If you aint got nothing productive to add keep your mouth shut" My Grandma used to say that all the time.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:24 am
by Nimrod
vance71975 wrote:Just because someone is a "respected member" does not make them immune to being called out for being a jerk when they are in fact being a jerk. As far as another and another and another, i have very few questions, the process is pretty simple and straight forward. Sorry to say, i have a Life and kids and have better things to do then spend days sorting through hundreds of thousands of posts looking for the answer to a simple question.

Here is a saying for you, "If you aint got nothing productive to add keep your mouth shut" My Grandma used to say that all the time.
Well not wanting to learn is being productive isn't it? A lot of members on this site have contributed A LOT of productive insight and have laid it out for others to enjoy the hobby. All it takes is a little bit of want to. Always have to crawl before you walk. You say on your other post about reading and watching videos. Youtube has nothing on this tried and true site. If you don't have the money (per your other post and this one) to get proper equipment maybe this should be a reading and learning stage for you. Kind of a hands off type learning time.
Or, if you want to come on this site and be ridiculous especially to "respected members" that were trying to put it into perspective for you. Maybe youtube, cornmeal, and 6quart pressure cookers are for you. You complain about taking 48 hours to read, so you wouldn't contribute 48 hours to possibly save your life or someone else?

Good luck to you sir, you're probably gonna need it :thumbdown:

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:27 am
by RumRaider
Wow, you really arent getting the point of the posts. Try to put yourself in everyone elses shoes. We're all here learning and dont want to sort through thousands of posts asking about calculations and other stuff that wont help anyone. The folks here are trying to help you think for yourself and gain skills. When the grandma you mentioned tried to teach you how to make her favorite recipes did you tell her to just shutup and cook? If so, you probably eat a lot of meals at mcdonanlds and you should probably buy your booze at the store.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:32 pm
by Prairiepiss
Point is we get a ton of the same questions. These questions and threads do nothing but clutter up the forum. Making it harder for someone to find the answer. When really the answers are just a few clicks away. By the way the jerk you are referring to devotes a metric shite ton of his time to cleaning up as much of that clutter as he can.

I gave you a thread to go read about your question. It is in the new distiller reading lounge. The title says it all. So if you had read through the new distiller reading lounge. Like most of us suggest as a requirement. You would have found your answer.

By the way the question you are asking doesn't really have a good answer. And you would find that out by reading the link I provided.

The reason I wrote that thread was because every other new member asks that same question. I've seen it asked as many as 3 times in one day.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:40 pm
by Dnderhead
if this is a pot still your not going to git much above 80% but you can remove flavor by diluting and rerunning.
each time you rerun you lose a bit more alcohol (and flavor)that stays behind in water.so if you double the proof
you dont git 2x the proof and 1/2 as much .you git less than that. then how much you keep depends on your cuts..witch is fore shots/heads/harts/tales
the fores you discard,,heads can be rerun,,harts is your keeper,,tales is rerun..now if you made cuts on each run the product will be much cleaner but a lot less.if you just make cuts on last run you will have more but not as clean..only you can determine where and how you want to make cuts.now in the "old" they mite run 3 times.they saved all ,the "king" or" lord" whould git the harts and the peasants whould git the rest. (ya now its a tax)

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:20 pm
by CuWhistle
If you know it's a dumb question, which the title suggests you do, doesn't that tell you something?

Not too long ago I came on here and asked some of the often repeated, typical and predictable newbie questions. This was politely pointed out in a general way, not directed towards me individually, but all of us at the same time. I fessed up, took my medicine and quickly found that answers abound if you make the effort to look. It doesn't take hours, just a bit of thought as to how to best word your searches.

Calling someone a jerk does not aid your cause in any way and I would suggest that you may have pissed off a very valuable source of information. From reading your posts so far, it is obvious that you don't really have a clue about what you are doing. Best get over yourself I think.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:35 pm
by rad14701
I think vance71975 gets our point, folks... Either he gets it or he doesn't... If he doesn't It wouldn't be from our lack of trying...

Members don't get a choice in the advice provided and the advice they get may not always be the advice they think they want or need... The pattern is cyclic... :yawn:

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:21 pm
by vance71975
Nimrod wrote:
vance71975 wrote:Just because someone is a "respected member" does not make them immune to being called out for being a jerk when they are in fact being a jerk. As far as another and another and another, i have very few questions, the process is pretty simple and straight forward. Sorry to say, i have a Life and kids and have better things to do then spend days sorting through hundreds of thousands of posts looking for the answer to a simple question.

Here is a saying for you, "If you aint got nothing productive to add keep your mouth shut" My Grandma used to say that all the time.
Well not wanting to learn is being productive isn't it? A lot of members on this site have contributed A LOT of productive insight and have laid it out for others to enjoy the hobby. All it takes is a little bit of want to. Always have to crawl before you walk. You say on your other post about reading and watching videos. Youtube has nothing on this tried and true site. If you don't have the money (per your other post and this one) to get proper equipment maybe this should be a reading and learning stage for you. Kind of a hands off type learning time.
Or, if you want to come on this site and be ridiculous especially to "respected members" that were trying to put it into perspective for you. Maybe youtube, cornmeal, and 6quart pressure cookers are for you. You complain about taking 48 hours to read, so you wouldn't contribute 48 hours to possibly save your life or someone else?

Good luck to you sir, you're probably gonna need it :thumbdown:

Ok i never said i DO NOT WANT TO LEARN, if i didn't i would not be asking questions. What i don't want to do is spend hours and hours searching for the answer to ONE simple question that a POLITE experienced member could answer in a few mins.Because unless you happen to get the thread title in the search bar it list individual posts that have any of the words listed. So how many post do you think pop up when i type "how much to collect on the second pass".

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:29 pm
by vance71975
Prairiepiss wrote:Point is we get a ton of the same questions. These questions and threads do nothing but clutter up the forum. Making it harder for someone to find the answer. When really the answers are just a few clicks away. By the way the jerk you are referring to devotes a metric shite ton of his time to cleaning up as much of that clutter as he can.

I gave you a thread to go read about your question. It is in the new distiller reading lounge. The title says it all. So if you had read through the new distiller reading lounge. Like most of us suggest as a requirement. You would have found your answer.

By the way the question you are asking doesn't really have a good answer. And you would find that out by reading the link I provided.

The reason I wrote that thread was because every other new member asks that same question. I've seen it asked as many as 3 times in one day.
I did read the link you posted, and your right it didn't do me a lot of good because i don't have a hydrometer unless of course you happen to have instructions on how to use a beer hydrometer for spirits, in which case this whole thread becomes a mute point because i do have one of those, actually i have 3 of those. Honestly i wasn't looking for a super scientific answer, just something like "if it were me, i would keep the middle 3 quarts out of the second pass" Or "if it were me, i would keep the middle 2 quarts out of the second pass" Something like that. i was asking for an OPINION not a hydrometer tested fact.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:34 pm
by vance71975
Dnderhead wrote:if this is a pot still your not going to git much above 80% but you can remove flavor by diluting and rerunning.
each time you rerun you lose a bit more alcohol (and flavor)that stays behind in water.so if you double the proof
you dont git 2x the proof and 1/2 as much .you git less than that. then how much you keep depends on your cuts..witch is fore shots/heads/harts/tales
the fores you discard,,heads can be rerun,,harts is your keeper,,tales is rerun..now if you made cuts on each run the product will be much cleaner but a lot less.if you just make cuts on last run you will have more but not as clean..only you can determine where and how you want to make cuts.now in the "old" they mite run 3 times.they saved all ,the "king" or" lord" whould git the harts and the peasants whould git the rest. (ya now its a tax)
Thank you!

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:41 pm
by vance71975
rad14701 wrote:I think vance71975 gets our point, folks... Either he gets it or he doesn't... If he doesn't It wouldn't be from our lack of trying...

Members don't get a choice in the advice provided and the advice they get may not always be the advice they think they want or need... The pattern is cyclic... :yawn:

Dude its not about getting the answer i want or one i don't, its about actually getting an answer. I asked a simple question, and simply wanted a guesstimate from someone more experienced than myself. I have a Gallon of first run, i was planning on putting that gallon of first run back in with water and running it a second time, all i wanted was a guesstimate on how many quarts i should aim to keep with an Air Still. A Simple Answer was all i was looking for, something like this:

"if i was running an air still, on the second pass, i would discard the first quart, keep the second and third quart, and discard the last quart" That is a simple answer, tho i don't know if that would be a correct answer, hence why i asked the question, because that is what i was planning on doing.I do plan to pick up books and better equipment, when money allows, but honestly i am one of those people that learns more by DOING than i do by reading.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:25 am
by whiskeytripping
Vance, this is your "I'll try to make this my last dumb question" thread? After reading some of your other threads it seems like all you want people to do is spoon feed you information, so then you can argue with them. What are you on the forum for? If its to get information then read some, there is a lot of info on here. Your not going to learn anything on here just arguing with mentors with smart ass questions, :wtf:

Spend some time studying then if you get stumped ask a question, if your still not getting it, let them know so they might be able to get through to you. Arguing with master distillers ain't going to get you ANYWHERE though :sarcasm:

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:43 am
by vance71975
whiskeytripping wrote:Vance, this is your "I'll try to make this my last dumb question" thread? After reading some of your other threads it seems like all you want people to do is spoon feed you information, so then you can argue with them. What are you on the forum for? If its to get information then read some, there is a lot of info on here. Your not going to learn anything on here just arguing with mentors with smart ass questions, :wtf:

Spend some time studying then if you get stumped ask a question, if your still not getting it, let them know so they might be able to get through to you. Arguing with master distillers ain't going to get you ANYWHERE though :sarcasm:

the whole point of forums, IS to be "spoon fed" as you like to call it, i prefer to call it free exchange of information. If you had it your way, a FORUM would not exist. If NO ONE ever asked a question and just "researched" there would be no forums, the whole POINT is to ask questions and make it easier to get the answer to your question, the point of a forum is not to be told "research" if Research was what i was after, i would simply GOOGLE IT and i sure as hell would not join a forum. I have not argued when i got a straight answer, i have shared information on things that i do know a lot about, but if you don't want to answer questions, then don't read NOVICE area posts, because they are gonna be FULL of questions.

Not to mention, the search function here SUCKS, it puts up EVERY SINGLE POST that has ANY of the words you search for in it. Like i said, Type in "how much do i collect on a second pass" and see what pops up, Anything that has ANY of those words in it. I DID use it before i posted, and after 10 pages and no answer, i said screw it and asked.

I am on MANY forums, and i can honestly say, for the most part, people on THIS forum are the RUDEST i have ran into on ANY forum. Some people understand that new people have questions, and they simply answer them without being rude, self-righteous, jerks. Its called Common Courtesy.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:48 am
by thecroweater
vance71975 wrote:honestly i am one of those people that learns more by DOING
:clap: great because what ya need to do is at least a bit of reading , Start by reading Kiwi's thread on cuts this will be on of the more important things you will read/learn . in your OP you ask about quantities and this kinda shows ya haven't to date put a world of effort in . I doubt ya have the data to calculate it anyway and its of no use to you each ways . yeah ppl reckon they can cut fine using estimate quantities , temp or even ABV , yeah maybe if they'er very experienced and know their still backwards . Just run it in small jars and test it by taste and smell some time after . If ya really feel ya absolutely have to do it as ya go well ok .I know sqat about those little cappacino jobbies except a lot have a spout made of synthetic shit but this how I make cuts and know when to shut down when I don't have an alcometer . I sit with the still with a big jug of cold water and let the ethanol spash on t the back of my little finger lick it and have a sip a water . foreshots come out first its acetone and god awful ya can smell it , when its burning at the front of ya mouth its heads it smell cool but it ain't , when it smells not bad and is just warm maybe a slight burn in ya mouth and kinda nice its hearts . When it starts to burn the back of ya mouth tails are starting and you will increasing begin to smell wet dog when its burning ya throat it will be tasting like wet cardboard soaked muddy diesel ya about done can keep going till you just taste a dirty water taste if ya like . Now for sakes go and look for that post on cuts so this means something to ya . I'm telling you this cause I think ya likely to keep going until ya get in to trouble , apologies to everyone if I over stepped my mark or have an error EDITHmm not convinced ya are going to look for that post :roll: ok stop ya from getting the Darwin trophy http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 46&t=13261 EDIT 2 spect if I'm going to tell ya that I should mention ya are going to have to find a way to water it down , tricky because you won't Know the ABV so hopefully you got some Jim beam or other shit like that . tip it in a glass and float something in it that partly submerges say a little bottle with a weight in it like water or a smaller glass ect mark where it floated to and put it in ya likka and and water till it sinks to the same level not ideal but might save ya from going to boot hill until ya get a proper hydo f the job

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:06 am
by vance71975
thecroweater wrote:
vance71975 wrote:honestly i am one of those people that learns more by DOING
:clap: great because what ya need to do is at least a bit of reading , Start by reading Kiwi's thread on cuts this will be on of the more important things you will read/learn . in your OP you ask about quantities and this kinda shows ya haven't to date put a world of effort in . I doubt ya have the data to calculate it anyway and its of no use to you each ways . yeah ppl reckon they can cut fine using estimate quantities , temp or even ABV , yeah maybe if they'er very experienced and know their still backwards . Just run it in small jars and test it by taste and smell some time after . If ya really feel ya absolutely have to do it as ya go well ok .I know sqat about those little cappacino jobbies except a lot have a spout made of synthetic shit but this how I make cuts and know when to shut down when I don't have an alcometer . I sit with the still with a big jug of cold water and let the ethanol spash on t the back of my little finger lick it and have a sip a water . foreshots come out first its acetone and god awful ya can smell it , when its burning at the front of ya mouth its heads it smell cool but it ain't , when it smells not bad and is just warm maybe a slight burn in ya mouth and kinda nice its hearts . When it starts to burn the back of ya mouth tails are starting and you will increasing begin to smell wet dog when its burning ya throat it will be tasting like wet cardboard soaked muddy diesel ya about done can keep going till you just taste a dirty water taste if ya like . Now for sakes go and look for that post on cuts so this means something to ya . I'm telling you this cause I think ya likely to keep going until ya get in to trouble , apologies to everyone if I over stepped my mark or have an error
Thank you that is all i was looking for, a STRAIGHT ANSWER and a way to guesstimate until i can get more equipment!!!!!!

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:12 am
by RumRaider
vance71975 wrote: the whole point of forums, IS to be "spoon fed" as you like to call it, i prefer to call it free exchange of information. If you had it your way, a FORUM would not exist. If NO ONE ever asked a question and just "researched" there would be no forums, the whole POINT is to ask questions and make it easier to get the answer to your question, the point of a forum is not to be told "research" if Research was what i was after, i would simply GOOGLE IT and i sure as hell would not join a forum. I have not argued when i got a straight answer, i have shared information on things that i do know a lot about, but if you don't want to answer questions, then don't read NOVICE area posts, because they are gonna be FULL of questions.

Not to mention, the search function here SUCKS, it puts up EVERY SINGLE POST that has ANY of the words you search for in it. Like i said, Type in "how much do i collect on a second pass" and see what pops up, Anything that has ANY of those words in it. I DID use it before i posted, and after 10 pages and no answer, i said screw it and asked.

I am on MANY forums, and i can honestly say, for the most part, people on THIS forum are the RUDEST i have ran into on ANY forum. Some people understand that new people have questions, and they simply answer them without being rude, self-righteous, jerks. Its called Common Courtesy.

If you are SO unhappy go somewhere else. As for self-righteous jerks: arent you the guy who posted that no one could tell you anything about fermentation because you are a published author? That is the best example of being a self-righteous jerk I've seen on this board. Your "you people owe me answers" attitude is more of the same.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:20 am
by vance71975
RumRaider wrote:
vance71975 wrote: the whole point of forums, IS to be "spoon fed" as you like to call it, i prefer to call it free exchange of information. If you had it your way, a FORUM would not exist. If NO ONE ever asked a question and just "researched" there would be no forums, the whole POINT is to ask questions and make it easier to get the answer to your question, the point of a forum is not to be told "research" if Research was what i was after, i would simply GOOGLE IT and i sure as hell would not join a forum. I have not argued when i got a straight answer, i have shared information on things that i do know a lot about, but if you don't want to answer questions, then don't read NOVICE area posts, because they are gonna be FULL of questions.

Not to mention, the search function here SUCKS, it puts up EVERY SINGLE POST that has ANY of the words you search for in it. Like i said, Type in "how much do i collect on a second pass" and see what pops up, Anything that has ANY of those words in it. I DID use it before i posted, and after 10 pages and no answer, i said screw it and asked.

I am on MANY forums, and i can honestly say, for the most part, people on THIS forum are the RUDEST i have ran into on ANY forum. Some people understand that new people have questions, and they simply answer them without being rude, self-righteous, jerks. Its called Common Courtesy.

If you are SO unhappy go somewhere else. As for self-righteous jerks: arent you the guy who posted that no one could tell you anything about fermentation because you are a published author? That is the best example of being a self-righteous jerk I've seen on this board. Your "you people owe me answers" attitude is more of the same.
No i never said that, i said i Know a lot ABOUT fermentation because between wine and beer i have 20 years experience doing it and i AM a published brewing author. But no where in that post did i say no one can ever tell me anything about fermentation, i can give you a list of names that could prolly tell me tons of things i do not know, The Point is if you don't want to answer the questions of new people, you should not even bother to read the novice area because you are GOING to see tons of new people ask the same questions over and over, and if you don't want to answer them without being rude, then you should just avoid that area. I deal with this very same thing on the brewing forum i am on, i have been personally asked the same questions hundreds of times, and i always show common courtesy and Answer them as best i can without being rude to people or telling them to go research.


Correction, what i said was " I may ask how a certain wash will taste when distilled, but fermentation i know very very very well, i am, after all, a published brewing author." That was the EXACT phrase i used, as you can see it no where says "i know everything about yeast" or i know everything about fermentation" nor would i ever say that, because i STILL learn something new on every batch of beer i brew and every batch of wine or mead i make.

Re: Ill try to make this the last dumb question.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:41 am
by RumRaider
You said to trust you, you would never ask a question about fermentation. The real point is that you would have found the answer to your OP if you had done the recommended reading. As an author, surely you understand there is no shortcut for research.