Ferm-Solutions Enzymes

Post by **MoonBreath** » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:21 pm

Some stuff rumored to be pretty good.
https://ferm-solutions.net/product-category/enzymes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

BaxtersDad · Post by **BaxtersDad** » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:10 pm

MoonBreath wrote:Some stuff rumored to be pretty good.
https://ferm-solutions.net/product-category/enzymes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Thanks, I looked at those before, and they do look like what I want. I hope they sell in the liter quantity retail to individuals, anybody know if they do or not? White Labs only sells to breweries, distilleries or home brew shops, no direct sales to individuals according to their web page. I am not ready to order yet, I will be out of operation basking in the sun at an RV park in Arizona until April.

Post by **HDNB** » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:17 pm

yes they sell liters to people pretty friggin reasonable too. about 16 bux IIRC

try their yeast too. goes off like a firecracker and makes some nice whiskey.

BaxtersDad · Post by **BaxtersDad** » Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:24 pm

HDNB wrote:yes they sell liters to people pretty friggin reasonable too. about 16 bux IIRC

try their yeast too. goes off like a firecracker and makes some nice whiskey.

Thanks, I will definitely place an order when I get back from AZ!

Post by **acfixer69** » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:11 pm

Yup and there 917 yeast is a kick ass whiskey for 11 bucks.

Big Stogie · Post by **Big Stogie** » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:27 pm

I have both enzymes they work well, the 927 yeast made some good rum and whiskey, the 048 gives a more floral whiskey Dr Pat told me, I used it but have not run it. I also have the vodka yeast which I’m going to try with rice and distillers malt along with the enzymes for a gin base. Ferm Solutions has been good to me so far, he helped me create a process for doing the corn with enzymes that is easy and fast, the prices are also very fair in my opinion

Post by **fizzix** » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:40 am

Link is in My Favorites... thanks, MoonBreath.
And how did you get that flaming Topic icon?

Post by **ShineonCrazyDiamond** » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:26 am

Post by **HDNB** » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:29 am

fizzix wrote: And how did you get that flaming Topic icon?

enter any number of sassy comments....

Post by **ShineonCrazyDiamond** » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:33 am

Lol, HDNB.

I split this topic from another one, to keep it from being locked and buried among an unneeded thread. Gave it an icon, as it is a great new source for our enzymes.

Moonbreath gets to be OP because he was the first off topic poster of the old thread

Post by **Bushman** » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:02 am

Have to confess I have always used malted grains, probably should give enzymes a go. Would like to do both and a side by side taste test.

Post by **MtRainier** » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:42 am

I ordered from them after seeing a post on the thread about pinto's troubles. Enzymes and yeast are both fairly priced in quantities that make sense for our use and shipped fast. I use the 921 for both rum and whiskey ferments.

Their distillery side also makes a really fine kentucky straight bourbon and rye.

BaxtersDad · Post by **BaxtersDad** » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:57 pm

Bushman wrote:Have to confess I have always used malted grains, probably should give enzymes a go. Would like to do both and a side by side taste test.

Malted grains are what I use for conversion in the standard temperature range, 140-160 df. I have used White Labs Opti-Ferm along with the malted grains as sort of "insurance," just because I had it but I do not believe it is necessary at all. But what you cannot do with malted grains is what the the high temp enzyme does. The way it thins out the "corn stew" is nothing short of amazing to watch. I am really looking forward to giving the Ferm-Solutions high temp enzyme a try, since the Opti-Mash and Opti-Ferm I have were purchased in 2015 and are 2 years past their expiration dates!

30xs · Post by **30xs** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:22 am

I am currently using these and had a little info to add, in case someone else orders and don't receive any instruction as I did.

AHA optimum temp 150-190 and Ph 5.5-6.5
Gluco optimum temp 90-110 Ph 5.5-6.5

This was after a phone call requesting info after purchase. Is there anyone else that is using their products that have used them at the above guidelines and found they work better at another range?

Post by **MtRainier** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:14 pm

That's around where I use them. I do start higher for the gluco at around 135, but it drops to there.

For what it's worth, I think these are the manufacturer instructions for the enzymes they repackage and sell. I don't know that for a fact, but the names match. I've gotten good results following the instructions here:

https://en.angelyeast.com/products/enzy ... a-400.html

https://en.angelyeast.com/products/enzy ... a-150.html

30xs · Post by **30xs** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:27 pm

MtRainier wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:14 pm That's around where I use them. I do start higher for the gluco at around 135, but it drops to there.

For what it's worth, I think these are the manufacturer instructions for the enzymes they repackage and sell. I don't know that for a fact, but the names match. I've gotten good results following the instructions here:

https://en.angelyeast.com/products/enzy ... a-400.html

https://en.angelyeast.com/products/enzy ... a-150.html

Thanks MtRainier

30xs · Post by **30xs** » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:53 am

Reading through those instructions the gluco is WAY different than what I was told over the phone when I asked for instructions. These sound more realistic, but he did say that I was how they were doing it at their distillery.

Maybe they do it for simplicity since I did it as they said, didn't do any adjustment of Ph and the gluco went in at 5.8 and 6.1, if the cheapo Amazon meter was even close. I would have thought the corn should have brought it lower than that, but its bubbling away so I'm not complaining.

Post by **MtRainier** » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:28 pm

I hear ya. Here's how I use them in my 20 gallon batches.

I've mostly used these enzymes for mashes mostly made of 80% coarsely ground corn and 10% unmalted crushed rye with 10% malted barley. I bring the corn up to a boil with about 2lbs per gallon and cook it for around 30 minutes. I dump in their alpha-amylase at boiling temp while it's still bubbling away at the end of that boil time and it thins right out. I never check pH for the alpha, figuring it's at least a little acidic from the corn, but I don't really know. I also dump in the rye at that time and let it kind of cool naturally for another 30 min or so. The rye doesn't seem to need as much cooking and I've heard that anything over 180F increases bad flavors.

I cool the bunch down to 135 and then add the malted barley and gluco-amylase after checking the pH. I usually have to add a little bit of citric acid to drop it. I let that cool naturally for 90 minutes and then start cooling. When it gets to 80 I check pH and pitch yeast and let it go. I check pH a day later and add powdered calcium carbonate if it seems to be dropping too low.

Post by **ezlle71** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:27 am

Just ordered a quart of each the enzymes and 917 yeast. Will see how it does. Excited to give it a whirl.

Post by **Deplorable** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:59 am

I'm almost out of my enzymes from Pintoshine, so I ordered a liter of each from them today.

dieselduo · Post by **dieselduo** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:14 pm

Deplorable wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:59 am I'm almost out of my enzymes from Pintoshine, so I ordered a liter of each from them today.

I'm sure you'll enjoy their products. I've been using them for a good while now. The yeasts are good too

Post by **Deplorable** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:23 pm

dieselduo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:14 pm
Deplorable wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:59 am I'm almost out of my enzymes from Pintoshine, so I ordered a liter of each from them today.
I'm sure you'll enjoy their products. I've been using them for a good while now. The yeasts are good too

Good. I'll be doing a lot of corn this winter, so I'm going to be using them a lot. I think I have about 2 more mashes worth of Pinto's two 4 ounce bottles.

Post by **ezlle71** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:36 am

threw down 100 lbs of corn with 50 gallon of water and hit 1.055=7% with these enzymes this weekend. I really Like them. Awesome tool to have in the arsenal.

opus345 · Post by **opus345** » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:31 am

Just ordered

FSI-917 - 500 grams × 1 $11.00
AHA-400 Enzyme - 1.2kg × 1 $16.00
GA-150 Enzyme - 1.2kg × 1 $14.00
Subtotal: $41.00
Shipping: $18.71 via Ground (UPS)
Freight Surcharge: $1.64

opus

Post by **frunobulax** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:56 am

I haven't ordered enzymes in a while. Is this the go to place for them?

Post by **OtisT** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:47 am

I sure hope so because I just ordered both types of enzymes from them yesterday. Was surprised that shipping to the west coast costs as much as the product. Otis

Post by **jward** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:51 am

MtRainier wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:14 pm For what it's worth, I think these are the manufacturer instructions for the enzymes they repackage and sell. I don't know that for a fact, but the names match. I've gotten good results following the instructions here:
https://en.angelyeast.com/products/enzy ... a-400.html

Thanks for that. Even though the temperatures listed are different between FERM Solutions and Angelyeast I'd be they are the same product too. My concern is if the enzyme denatures at boiling temp which both manufacturers seem to indicate it doesn't.

Post by **frunobulax** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:51 pm

OtisT wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:47 am I sure hope so because I just ordered both types of enzymes from them yesterday. Was surprised that shipping to the west coast costs as much as the product. Otis

Yeah. I put an order together, and the shipping is almost as much as the order

(East coast)

Post by **HDNB** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:10 pm

frunobulax wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:51 pm
OtisT wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:47 am I sure hope so because I just ordered both types of enzymes from them yesterday. Was surprised that shipping to the west coast costs as much as the product. Otis
Yeah. I put an order together, and the shipping is almost as much as the order
(East coast)

still a bargain. 16 buck for a liter, some of the other places were/are charging 16 bucks for 4 oz plus shipping.

Post by **Twisted Brick** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm

HDNB wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:10 pm
still a bargain. 16 buck for a liter, some of the other places were/are charging 16 bucks for 4 oz plus shipping.

+1

The several times I bought the Enzymash HTL and SEBAmyl Gluco kits from Pint it cost me $25 (delivered) for the pair of 4oz bottles. At the recommended dosages this worked out to $1.50 for 16 x 12gal mashes.

The Ferm-Solutions require a higher dosage for each enzyme, but still, the Ferm-Solutions work out $.88/batch. This assumes (per Otis) doubling the product price to calculate shipping to the west coast.

Those who have experience with the GA-150, are you mashing with it or following the directions to add it to the ferment along with your yeast? I would think doing the latter might skew your SG numbers.

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