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element controller over heating danger

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:32 pm
by stillvodka
Hello all
I am starting a new thread here with lots of respect going to forum member Tony1966 , I am not criticising him or anything like that, he has been very helpful.
But can or do anyone back up what he stated in the last post on this thread viewtopic.php?f=85&t=74414&bookmark=1&hash=07b3f6ab

Why I am asking , is for the fact that although Tony1966 has been so helpful, he could be costing me money and more work :( and I would like Other forum members Advice

Re: element controller over heating danger

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:44 am
by Yummyrum
stillvodka . I will agree with tony .
I have worked as an electronic repair technician for 30 years and have also build many electronic projects over the years .

You do need to add a safety margin and again I would agree with tony . 20% is probably the absolute minimum . 50% is definitely going to be a good idea .
Ok his personal choice to run with 100% safety margin , well that's his choice ......no harm .....but I'd be quite happy around 50% .

As tony says , heat buildup in the device will cause its early demise and a good heat sink and quality heatsink compound help get the heat out of the device .
I replaced a lot of failed transistors due to old crusty heatsink compound drying out .

Note I said early demise . It's not like a critical value , you cross it and you die ,
Think of it like a Red line in your car. It won't explode the second you hit it but the closer you get to it , the more stress you put on the engine . The further away you run your engine from the Red line , the longer it will last .
( LOL , I'm probably going to get a thrashing from the Rev heads saying that :egeek: )....sorry

To be honest that unit you have is probably not an the easiest to stick in a box with a heatsink firmly attached while also having the control knob in a safe accessible position . Can't say for sure as I can't see a pic of the back but how do you securely bolt it too a heat sink ?
does it have some tapped holes that you can use ?
Are you ment to fashion some custom clamps to keep the pressure between it and the heatsink ?

Then there is the physical alignment so the heatsink is positioned in the mounting box so that the control shaft is flush with the front panel with the controller sandwiched between .

Not an impossible task but certainly not the easiest thing to put into use .

By the way , you can rest assured that Home distiller forum has many eyes watching it and there are a lot of techy guys here so if someone was giving you the bum stare , we'red all be onto it . :wink:

Re: element controller over heating danger

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:03 am
by Tony1964
Hey, its tony1964, you've made me 2 years younger, thanks very much.

Cheers

The younger fresher looking Tony lol

Re: element controller over heating danger

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:45 am
by stillvodka
Tony1964 wrote:Hey, its tony1964, you've made me 2 years younger, thanks very much.

Cheers

The younger fresher looking Tony lol
Hello tony
Ha ha,
Sorry about that or congratulations! we all got older ,you got younger :lol:

I Emailed Company i purchased it from, this is the reply


Hello Lee

The controller you have chosen has a 40Amp triac in but it still needs cooling. That unit is designed to mount behind a metal panel in a free flow of air, to help duct the heat away.

Regards

Charles

Re: element controller over heating danger

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:48 am
by stillvodka
Thanks Yummyrum for you posts, most appreciated

Re: element controller over heating danger

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:56 pm
by shadylane
Just my 2cents worth
When using cheap controlers
Get one at least 2X bigger than needed
Add a heatsink, fan and get a spare controller :lol:

Re: element controller over heating danger

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:30 pm
by stillvodka
shadylane wrote:Just my 2cents worth
When using cheap controlers
Get one at least 2X bigger than needed
Add a heatsink, fan and get a spare controller :lol:
Cheap controlers?

Is my controler Cheap :(