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3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 3:46 pm
by Calamity Jane
We just ran 5 gallons of mash consisting of old wine, apple juice concentrate, grape juice, sugar, bread yeast and water, strained through cheesecloth. Put some of it in thumper with neutral tails from previous run. Here is what we got in first 3 pint jars:
There was a bit of copper oxide residue in copper pipe end of worm condenser that we didn't catch beforehand, so we're thinking that is cause of green tint in heads pint (the green particles settled to bottom of jar after a while). Then second pint came out clear. We then got about 4 pints of the amber color. We had some issues keeping condenser cool enough. There was a point where condenser water got pretty warm, but not hot. Could that have been the problem? Did the steam somehow scorch? The last jar of hearts and the tails came out clear, after we corrected the temp problem.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 4:15 pm
by Saltbush Bill
I'd say the thumper puked on the one far right.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 4:41 pm
by stillanoob
Looks pretty clear for a puke. Mine are always cloudy.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 4:44 pm
by Calamity Jane
Sorry, what does puke mean? The 5 gallon mash pot was pretty full. 2 gallon thumper was filled no more than 2 inches from bottom.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 5:09 pm
by still_stirrin
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 5:29 pm
by NZChris
I run my condenser water so hot that I can't hold my finger under the outlet. I've never noticed any problems.
Running it again will tidy it up.
If you are adding tails from a previous run, add them to the main pot unless you actually want them smeared into your new product.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 5:32 pm
by Sporacle
Calamity Jane wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:44 pm
Sorry, what does puke mean? The 5 gallon mash pot was pretty full. 2 gallon thumper was filled no more than 2 inches from bottom.
This is a stripping run from a molasses wash that puked
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 5:58 pm
by Saltbush Bill
It means to much heat was applied , the wash frothed and foamed up, it then worked its way through the system and ended up in your Jar.
Running low wines instead of single running will avoid this problem.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 11:04 pm
by NZChris
Saltbush Bill wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:58 pm
It means to much heat was applied , the wash frothed and foamed up, it then worked its way through the system and ended up in your Jar.
Running low wines instead of single running will avoid this problem.
Jane was running a thumper, so it's a pretty rare problem. Was something in the thumper that shouldn't have been there, or was it being run far too fast? Would it still have happened if the tails had been put in the pot instead of the thumper?
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 5:47 am
by Saltbush Bill
NZChris wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:04 pm
Jane was running a thumper, so it's a pretty rare problem.
Rare but possible ....a thumper isnt a slobber box,.....have a look at the ingredients of the wash ....are you saying its impossible ?
Calamity Jane wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:44 pm
Sorry, what does puke mean?
My second answer was in relation to the above anyway.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 7:53 am
by Justinthunder
Was your thumper plumbed in properly? I had this issue on my first run because I had my thumper backwards.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 12:27 pm
by Calamity Jane
NZChris wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:29 pm
I run my condenser water so hot that I can't hold my finger under the outlet. I've never noticed any problems.
Running it again will tidy it up.
If you are adding tails from a previous run, add them to the main pot unless you actually want them smeared into your new product.
We were worried because worm water (5 gallon paint bucket) was getting warm. We have another 5 gallon reservoir next to worm with pump to recirculate water, while having ice packs floating in it. There was a point where we ran out of ice packs. We're thinking worm bucket is too close to thumper, which is acting like a radiator, it gets so hot! Gonna extend distance with some extra pipe.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 12:29 pm
by Calamity Jane
Thank you for this, it confirms what happened to us. I feel we also went too hot and fast on boiler.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 12:34 pm
by Calamity Jane
Saltbush Bill wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 5:47 am
NZChris wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:04 pm
Jane was running a thumper, so it's a pretty rare problem.
Rare but possible ....a thumper isnt a slobber box,.....have a look at the ingredients of the wash ....are you saying its impossible ?
Calamity Jane wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:44 pm
Sorry, what does puke mean?
My second answer was in relation to the above anyway.
Now I'm thinking we might have had leftover sugars in mash, didn't put enough yeast, not enough time. It was a very sweet wash.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 2:29 pm
by Saltbush Bill
That was partly my thinking too......wash not fully fermented.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 2:46 pm
by NZChris
Calamity Jane wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:27 pm
NZChris wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:29 pm
I run my condenser water so hot that I can't hold my finger under the outlet. I've never noticed any problems.
Running it again will tidy it up.
If you are adding tails from a previous run, add them to the main pot unless you actually want them smeared into your new product.
We were worried because worm water (5 gallon paint bucket) was getting warm. We have another 5 gallon reservoir next to worm with pump to recirculate water, while having ice packs floating in it. There was a point where we ran out of ice packs. We're thinking worm bucket is too close to thumper, which is acting like a radiator, it gets so hot! Gonna extend distance with some extra pipe.
Heat rises, so any condenser works better if you add cold water to the bottom and overflow the hot water from the top.
Re: 3 different colors in one run
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:39 am
by Boozewaves
Calamity Jane wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:44 pm
Sorry, what does puke mean? The 5 gallon mash pot was pretty full. 2 gallon thumper was filled no more than 2 inches from bottom.
just wanted to add on to the other replies if your still boiler was pretty full that could be the reason for the puke , I put 85 percent of the total volume in when I do UJSSM or Shady's and its fine , any more and it will puke , different recipes can foam more as well , I have read here banana brandy foams a lot
the only other puke I got was when I turned on the hose for my condenser but it was not connected
