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Ok just got home from the feed mill bought 10 gallons of black strap.Now I can only find 48-0-0 around here. When i asked the guy at the feed and seed store down the road he said where did you come up with that number(20-0-0). I himhawd around about i read it somewhere. So what im asking is can i use half the amount of the 48-0-0.

big_daddy_d wrote:Ok just got home from the feed mill bought 10 gallons of black strap.Now I can only find 48-0-0 around here. When i asked the guy at the feed and seed store down the road he said where did you come up with that number(20-0-0). I himhawd around about i read it somewhere. So what im asking is can i use half the amount of the 48-0-0.

Hi,

First time poster.

In regards to your question about 48-0-0, this is basic Urea. I am just in the research stage of doing this recipe and I have found I can only source that as well. Now, someone has told me that for it to be 48-0-0 it has to be mixed with water to be at that ratio. So what you have to find out is how much water has to be added to get 48-0-0 and then work out from there how much more water is needed to make it 20-0-0, if that makes sence. I have only found this info out today, so I will still check the validity of the info.

I am considering leaving it out completely as I am a bit iffy about having Urea in my brew, although many have used it before, I would prefer an alternative.

If someone could shed some light...

Cheers

Sully

Sully wrote:

big_daddy_d wrote:Ok just got home from the feed mill bought 10 gallons of black strap.Now I can only find 48-0-0 around here. When i asked the guy at the feed and seed store down the road he said where did you come up with that number(20-0-0). I himhawd around about i read it somewhere. So what im asking is can i use half the amount of the 48-0-0.

Hi,

First time poster.

In regards to your question about 48-0-0, this is basic Urea. I am just in the research stage of doing this recipe and I have found I can only source that as well. Now, someone has told me that for it to be 48-0-0 it has to be mixed with water to be at that ratio. So what you have to find out is how much water has to be added to get 48-0-0 and then work out from there how much more water is needed to make it 20-0-0, if that makes sence. I have only found this info out today, so I will still check the validity of the info.

I am considering leaving it out completely as I am a bit iffy about having Urea in my brew, although many have used it before, I would prefer an alternative.

If someone could shed some light...

Cheers

Sully

Ok Im new to this also, but if look close to the package it has food grade urea in it. I just tossed mine it never realy took off. I used b complex in a capsul also. http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products ... rodID=4953" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow pinto usues this in his fast ferment

big_daddy_d wrote: Ok Im new to this also, but if look close to the package it has food grade urea in it. I just tossed mine it never realy took off. I used b complex in a capsul also. http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products ... rodID=4953" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow pinto usues this in his fast ferment

That looks the go, unfortunately I am on the other side of the pond (Aussie). Not easy to source unfortunately.

Any Alternatives?

Cheers

Sully

Sully wrote:

big_daddy_d wrote:That looks the go, unfortunately I am on the other side of the pond (Aussie). Not easy to source unfortunately.

Any Alternatives?

Human urine? All this ratio stuff is about N:P:K. For brewing, you want lots more N than the others, so 48-0-0 should be as good as 20-0-0. The source of N (nitrogen) could in principle be anything: urea, DAP, ammonium sulphate, whatever. DAP has the advantage that it provides some P as well, but note that yeasts aren't leafy plants and I'm not sure what the theoretically preferred ratio would be. I seem to recall some health scare about urea-based nutrients on one of the homebrewing boards, but am too slack to search it out.

Sully you can go "organic" nitrogen is found in root vegetables as beets and I think in leafy green as lettuce, check them out first
( some people laugh when they see in some old recipes call for a chunk of "horse meat " but that contains nitrogen and amino acids both good)

Found a HBS that sells DAP, the dosage is 0.2g/L.

Thanks for the info guys....