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I am thinking of using the below listed ingredients to make 4 total gallons of corn mash wash for 'off the grain' fermenting for whiskey.

The completed whiskey will then be flavored using charred American oak cubes ... There are so many different recipies ... What do you think of this one ?

Bottled Water
3.8 gal

Granulated Sugar
9 cups (4 Lb bag)

Flaked Corn Maize
8 cups

Corn Flakes Cereal
18 oz box

That will work.
A box of "unfrosted" corn flakes as around 0.25 pounds of sugar plus the 4 pound bag of sugar added to 3.8 gallons water makes for around 1.050ish and 7% potential.

shadylane wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 4:04 pm A box of "unfrosted" corn flakes as around 0.25 pounds of sugar plus the 4 pound bag of sugar added to 3.8 gallons water makes for around 1.050ish and 7% potential.

And the 8 cups of Flaked Corn Maize should increase the alcohol potential even more, but I don't know how much ?

It won’t add to the sugars unless you mash it and use enzymes or malt. Without mashing, it’ll be more akin to a sugarhead.

Cheers,
-j

Without enzymes to convert the starches the added flaked maize wont do anything but add a bit of flavour. Also, fermenting a sugarhead "off the grain" will result in just a sugar wash. with maybe a little extra flavour.

Check out the Cornflakes Whiskey thread by Odin in the tried and true section. Ive had very good luck following it and is my go to sipper.

After heating the water, sugar, corn flakes cereal and the flaked corn maize in the boiler pot for about 45 minutes at 180F, I plan on letting it cool to 145F and then adding a teaspoon of Beta-Amylase enzyme and keep the temp of 145F for an hour ... then cool to room temp, poor into the carboy and add the yeast.

Should turn the starches to sugar.

If you are going to do a mash, leave the sugar out while you do it. It will be easier to tell if you have good conversion. Then if needed, or wanted, you can work out how much sugar you want to add to reach the right gravity.

SW_Shinner .... great idea
Thanks
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Also, I plan on putting the corn flakes cereal, and the flaked corn maize into a nylon brew bag when heating everything. Then once it's all cooled down to room temp, I will squeeze out and remove the bag before putting the liquid into the carboy for fermenting (off the grain method)

Turbo6ta wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 5:29 pm After heating the water, sugar, corn flakes cereal and the flaked corn maize in the boiler pot for about 45 minutes at 180F, I plan on letting it cool to 145F and then adding a teaspoon of Beta-Amylase enzyme and keep the temp of 145F for an hour ... then cool to room temp, poor into the carboy and add the yeast.

Should turn the starches to sugar.

Get some alpha and gluco enzymes.

Turbo6ta wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 3:37 pm There are so many different recipes ... What do you think of this one ?

My suggestion is look through Tried & True Recipes, or at least Experimentals that are close to what you are looking at.
Those threads not only have the Recipe, they have the procedures - successes AND failures - for you to study.

NOTE: Follow it TO THE LETTER the first time. Then you can "personalize" it.
I have been guilty of "oh yeah I'm gonna do THAT one..... BUT I'll change a few things."
Then surprised when I have to throw it away.
Make the best use of the what has gone before you. Good Luck.

It will make alcohol but fermenting off what little grain you have will not give you much flavor. This is going to make a rather thin whiskey that will mostly just have the wood flavor from the oak. I recommend uncle Jesse's Simple Sour mash (UJSSM) which you can find the tried to true section to get started.

Other hint is, when developing a recipe use weight, not volume. All the reference materials to help you determine gravity will be in grain or sugar weight to water volume. I can tell you that 4 lb of sugar will supply about 168 points of gravity, 9 cups will only get a shrug.

Turbo6ta wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 4:15 pm

shadylane wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 4:04 pm A box of "unfrosted" corn flakes as around 0.25 pounds of sugar plus the 4 pound bag of sugar added to 3.8 gallons water makes for around 1.050ish and 7% potential.

And the 8 cups of Flaked Corn Maize should increase the alcohol potential even more, but I don't know how much ?

Without enzymes or malt to convert starch to sugar, the flaked corn will only add flavor and nutrients.
Unfortunately the corn will also add lots of starch that can burn on the heating element.
The recipe will work but I'd ferment on the grain and squeeze out the liquid and let it settle before pouring it into the boiler..

Turbo6ta wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 3:37 pm I am thinking of using the below listed ingredients to make 4 total gallons of corn mash wash for 'off the grain' fermenting for whiskey.

The completed whiskey will then be flavored using charred American oak cubes ... There are so many different recipies ... What do you think of this one ?

Bottled Water
3.8 gal

Granulated Sugar
9 cups (4 Lb bag)

Flaked Corn Maize
8 cups

Corn Flakes Cereal
18 oz box

just do a CFW, saves the f**cking about with flaked corn, enzymes and mashing.
maybe use double the amout of corn flakes if you want corn flavour.
maybe throw in some ryvita, if you want a little spice.
i have CFWs in the barrel for 2/3 years, it's delicious.

I'd be on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Leave out the sugar and do a ag corn, saves fucking about with sugar and the pesky sugar bite

I just don't understand why beginners won't or can't follow a Tried and True recipe to start out with.
It's so much simpler to end up with a decent result, and so much easier for members to diagnose problems if they do occur.

Thank you Saltbush Bill for your understanding and kind words of wisdom

Saltbush Bill wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 5:36 am I just don't understand why beginners won't or can't follow a Tried and True recipe to start out with.
It's so much simpler to end up with a decent result, and so much easier for members to diagnose problems if they do occur.

hey SB.
is there a time limit for in between starting a reply and pressing submit?
i have lost 2 replies in this thread.
one to you asking about the time limit.
one replying to swedish saying "that's what i realyy meant to say. do one or the other"

Not that I'm aware howie, there is always the possibility of it being another forum glitch.