my first design (feedback appreciated)

Many like to post about a first successful ferment (or first all grain mash), or first still built/bought or first good run of the still. Tell us about all of these great times here.
Pics are VERY welcome, we drool over pretty copper 8)

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first run is in progress. almost completed. cut after hearts* and tried with orange + cherry juice. quite drinkable. even delicious at least after some wine and dry ;)

photos and details soon..

* i ran still twice with water once with condenser and once without. at boiling point temperature read 92C and 94C. assuming 94C means 100C i calculated 86 as cutting point but cut at 87C. it was going back and forward around 86-87.

with a good thermometer do we read exactly 100C or less at water's boiling point?
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It kinda depends on at what elevation your at. But for the most part. It should read at 100 deg c in boiling water.the higher you go in elevation the lower it will be. Bit you shouldn't notice that much of a difference. Unless your above say 2 or 3 thousand feet.
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elevation is good elevation is nice. why else are we all here? ;)

anyway, then cutting at 96C's interpolation of of 90C
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so, i can say i'm quite satisfied with the result. from drinking strength, i estimate ABV around 60%. i have a densimeter but dont have a suitable long thin container so i cant measure abv at the moment. it smells very sharp, don't know if because of abv or something else. quite drinkable after mixed with fruit or tomato juice.

i distilled a 10 days old sugar and grape molasses fermente. although did slow down, it was still bubbling. and the taste of it was still sweet so i guess i was a bit early.

btw, in a turkish chemical forum, an experienced distiller guy wrote that, for distillation it's best to cut fermentation at 3rd or 4th day. sounds very wasteful at first glance. unless of course if most of fermentation is done at first 3-4 days. although dont think so considering bubbles. what do you think? (maybe better ask this in another thread)

anyway, here are some details and photos:

carboard and ptfe band to make the gasket. i will later use copper washer as gasket here.
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pieces for top assembly. washers are placed in this order
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column assembled
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thermometer and CF placed
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first run with water to test thermometer
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first attempt to make a lid seal. with cardboard and ptfe tape. turned out to be a bad idea.
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it will be placed like this. maybe a thin strip rolled around lid is a better idea
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second lid seal attempt. rolled ptfe tape around lid. with proper force applied to lid, effectively seals. (tested with pumping air with mouth). i though to use black paper clips but because of the curvature of lid they didnt help.
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bottom side of lid
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second run with water to test leakage and condenser. weight of condenser makes putting some weight necessary. this is also another reason that black paper clips wont help. there was a small leak surprisingly just below the weight, not on the other side. detected with a mirror. the condenser was doing ok. i remember i read something like, condensing waper requires 3(or so) times more cooling than condensing ethanol. so i decided condenser is enough. there were some tiny copper pieces in distilled water so i ran still with water for some more time to make inside of tubes cleaned.
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better listen to experience ;) prepared some flour paste and applied to lid.
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lid closed and sealed. worked as charm. this seal is so strong that, after run has completed and i've lifted the weight to open the lid, this seal did continue to carry the weight of condenser
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foreshot coming
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half of this glass will be discarded
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still running for hearts
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a closer look
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hours later in the morning
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lid opened next day. cleaning ptfe is much harder to clean flour paste. next time i will only use flour paste.
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sprit collected and almost a quarter is consumed
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I say anyone saying to cut a ferment off before its done. Should not ne listened to.

Congrats on your run. I was going to suggestions you move the thermometer off the column. But looks like you did. It van get pretty hot. So it could damage it prematurly.
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Prairiepiss wrote:Congrats on your run
thank you :)
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just made the second run. about 6 liters or so coming from an ~18 liter mash. much more efficient and cleaner than first run. smell of sprit is much softer and I got quite a volume: more than 1l hearts and close to half a liter tails. I didnt wait much for cutting for tails, it will be redistilled in next run in a few days afterall ;) my densimeter says hearts is ~70 ABV :D and the smell is still much softer than previous run. I guess this is because I cut fermentation early last time which caused a lot of bi-products distilled. fermentation last 2 weeks this time, after that I waited a few days for things settling up. no sugar taste at all.

here are some photos:

same setup as before:
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looking into the eye of devil:
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70 ABV :D
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bloody fuckin mary, cheers ;)
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cheers man, yo
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Just wanted to say congratulations to the restrained mods, et al, for the patience throughout this thread. I've been watching it, kinda like a "Saw" flick, close one, job well done, :clap: :clap: :clap: and it looks like he got a good drop ta boot!!!
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thanks yo :D
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I'm making another run. while checking for leakages with a mirror, I found a leakage in the middle part of compression fitting. tightened the bolt and rolled some PTFE strip around but only it got worse. turned off heating and applied some flour paste around leakage. Turned on heating, after flour paste got dried a bit, applied some more flour paste. this effectively stopped leakage. but worried me to tell the truth. feels like environment smells a bit more alcohol than usual, possibly psychologically I feel that way.

what do you suggest to seal that compression fitting?

I'm thinking of disassambling compression fitting, fill inside with some flour paste.

I'm even considering to remove the fitting completely and soldering condenser directly to the column.
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great job man, you have made a huge leap in a very short time, cheers ...
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thanks dude :)
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