skanky sugar washes

Sugar, and all about sugar washes. Where the primary ingredient is sugar, and other things are just used as nutrients.

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Uncle Remus
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skanky sugar washes

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I've heard a lot of fellows here say if you do a neutral spirit right there is no need for filtering/polishing.

This is what I found with sugar washes.

We use Gert Strand 8kg Turbo Yeast. We decided rather than refluxing right off the bat, do a couple of stripping runs first and then run em through with some reflux. We did 2-50 litre strip runs, then threw all the product in the boiler again, heads, hearts and tails, everything except the foreshots. Almost all of the final distillate came out 93-95 av, but it still had an off smell and taste.

These last 4 washes we pushed to the max probably using about 9-10 kgs of sugar per 25 litre wash. We were not anal about checking sg on these washes, but I figure they were all pushing 18-20 %. None of these washes would clear up all 4 were milky looking when we distilled them. Also when we emptied the boiler after distillation the crap that was left was quite blue looking.

The yield was great I'm guessing there will be about 32 litres of 40-45 % after the filtering and final cut is done. (not bad for a long days work :wink: )

Sugar washes we have done in the past that have been 14% or so did not smell nearly as skanky as the high % washes. They also clear up nicely and are not nearly as smelly when distilling and the final product was better smelling and tasting even at 88% that the high test wash product was at 93-95%.

Just wondering. You guys who say you don't need to polish your neutral spirits. How strong are your sugar washes and what kind of yeasts are you using?
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Post by Pieterpost »

I used to use the turboyeast packages but since I've tried bakeryeast I haven't gone back ! The alcoholpercentage of the bakeryeast wash is much lower then the turbowash, it ranges between 10-14 %.

I have noticed that the 'sweet fraction'is much smaller/non-existant in a bakeryeast wash so that the amount of final produkt (clean tasteless alcohol) about equals the quantity of turbowash alcohol. Next to this the alcohol from the bakersyeast wash seems cleaner to me but this is probably due to the fact that I let the yeast settle more in the bakersyeast wash.

Another important point is a bakeryeast wash is cheaper then a turbowash !
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Post by linw »

I think you are really pushing it with 9-10kg of sugar. My std turbo says 6kg and 8kg for their alcohol tolerant mix. Personally, I use 7kg using the std turbo. So maybe I am pushing it too! It is well known that high amounts of sugar tends to have the yeast produce more offensive by-products.

It really is hard to make "pure" product while trying to maximise yield. Most of us tend to be too greedy, I feel. To get away with not filtering you probably have to re-cycle far more than you are at present. A very experienced distiller says the proportions should be about 30% heads, 40% main, and 30% tails. That 40%, doing double distillation and using lesser amounts of sugar, probably will be good stuff.

I don't seem to have a problem cutting the tails but I still get into trouble by not cutting out enough heads. Compounding this problem is the fact that tails are easily filtered out but the ethyl acetate "metho" stuff is not so easily removed. I thought I had got it right last run but even a tiny amount is easily detected if you are looking for it!

Message to me for next run:- "Re-cycle more of the heads!".

My opinions, anyway, for what they are worth.
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Post by v0rtexx »

Pieterpost wrote:I used to use the turboyeast packages but since I've tried bakeryeast I haven't gone back ! The alcoholpercentage of the bakeryeast wash is much lower then the turbowash, it ranges between 10-14 %.

I have noticed that the 'sweet fraction'is much smaller/non-existant in a bakeryeast wash so that the amount of final produkt (clean tasteless alcohol) about equals the quantity of turbowash alcohol. Next to this the alcohol from the bakersyeast wash seems cleaner to me but this is probably due to the fact that I let the yeast settle more in the bakersyeast wash.

Another important point is a bakeryeast wash is cheaper then a turbowash !
Thank you for posting this, I thought I was the only one. I have tried turbos, and felt they tasted a little off for some reason. Whenever I use just plain old bakers yeast it comes out much cleaner it seems. I have a 28L bakers wash going right now at the moment and its acting like its a turbo. Bubbling as fast anyway. No added "yeast nutrients" just a can of tomato paste.
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Post by Uncle Remus »

Tomato paste is all you need for nutrients. I generally have had pretty good luck with turbos, but I got greedy and pushed em way too far this last time, thinking I could totally clean it up by double distilling. I was quite surprized when 93-95% booze still had a moonshine smell and taste.
I got it all running through a carbon filter now, and the product coming out is totally odorless and tastless. In the future I will be more conservative with the sugar.
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Post by Pieterpost »

yep, that is also what I use in my magic formula :)

tomato-paste, water, sugar, citric acid, baker yeast and that's it !
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