My first distillation (aka my first disaster)

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My first distillation (aka my first disaster)

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Well, I performed my first distillation last night, using my homemade pot still. I had numerous problems.

First, I let it boil over. The lid wasn't clamped down very well, so instead of puking through the lyne arm, the lid just got forced off. I lost about a pint I think. Then I let resealed the lid, and let it cool down to around 75C and slowly heated it back up, expecting to start collecting at around 77C. It got up to 80C and only a teaspoon or so had come out by then. I kept waiting, and after about an hour I was really confused as to why nothing was coming out.

I thought maybe too much was condensing in the two feet of lyne arm I have going up at 45 degrees out the top of the still, so I tried bending it closer to the still, which was hard work while it was running. I ended up getting a leak in my worm from doing this.

After about three hours of fucking around trying to get it to work (by now the thermometer was reading 85C) I decided to turn up the temperature. It was only when the thermometer reached ~95C that it started really working. I have a feeling that I was getting a false reading due to contact between part of the probe and the lid of the still. The vapour itself may, no MUST, have been cooler. So I ran it at a steady drip, reminiscent of what I have seen in youtube videos, for a while. I collected in separate jars.

I had planned on doing a stripping run first, and collecting about a third of the 20L I started with, but I had not planned on it taking so long up to that point, so I decided I would stop after I had collected the good stuff. The first jar I had already planned to throw out. A bit over half a cup was in it. It smelled really estery, sort of sweet. My girlfriend liked the smell, but knowing what whisky is meant to smell like, it kind of put me off. Every successive jar smelled less and less strong. I was tasting it as I went. It started off like rocket fuel, and was eventually like wine. I decided to stop there.

I mixed all of it together except the first jar, and took an alcometer reading. It says that it's 40%. I was hoping for a bit stronger. I think I collected about 1.5 Litres from 20 litres of 6.3%ABV. This is less than I expected. I think maybe I had the heat up too high and ended up collecting stuff that was lower alcohol than I could have towards the end. Next time I will aim for a slower drip.

The stuff still smells really estery. Not sure if this is normal for unmatured, or if I left too much of the heads in there. At the moment it is sitting in a flagon with a nothing more than a napkin covering the mouth.

Also, as I was collecting it, the first couple of jars were quite cloudy, and the last few had a 'slick' on top. A lot of jars had red flakey floaties in them. I got out as much of the major stuff as I could at the time. Now there is a layer of reddish looking stuff in the bottom of the flagon. I feel I have two courses of action. First, I can filter it through a coffee filter (I don't want to use carbon or anything because I want a full flavoured whisky). Or, I can throw it back in with the next run (I have another twenty litres of wash ready to go).

Main thing is, I don't want to poison myself as I don't actually know if the alcohol has somehow stripped something off the copper that water didn't get out. Although, my guess is that some foam went through the lyne arm but didn't make it all the way. Then in the following three hours it dried up and then started flaking off and dissolving as the alcohol came through, leaving a dirty product. Can't be sure of this though.

Also, if I collected too much of the heads, I may have to redistill it just so it tastes like real whisky. The thing is, the heads were the most alcoholic bit, if I threw out another jars worth, I would have even lower % than the 40% I got.

Anyway, hopefully some of you guys with experience can give me a few pointers or suggestions. :) Thanks
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Main thing is, I don't want to poison myself as I don't actually know if the alcohol has somehow stripped something off the copper that water didn't get out. Although, my guess is that some foam went through the lyne arm but didn't make it all the way. Then in the following three hours it dried up and then started flaking off and dissolving as the alcohol came through, leaving a dirty product. Can't be sure of this though

Did you do a cleaning run before running for keeps :?: if not it sounds like your picking up all the crap from a virgin still :econfused:
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No I didn't. I figured throwing out a larger than normal foreshots would be enough to clean most crap of the copper. How much do people normally run through it to clean it?
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I have filtered it through a coffee filter, and have gotten a very clean looking product. No floaties or cloudiness, and even the yellow tinge it had has gone. I toasted some oak and mixed it with a small amount of alcohol. Half an hour later, it already tastes MUCH more like whisky. It seems to have neutralised a lot of that estery quality. Should I assume it is safe to drink? Or should I throw it in with the next lot of wash for distilling?
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Re: My first distillation (aka my first disaster)

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Either run a wash you are prepared to throw away, some old cheap wine, or vinigar.
Throw away what you have distilled, its not drinkable, it contains all the crap from building your still.
Drinking this could make you ill, :esurprised: :esurprised: :esurprised: put it down to experience and ditch it
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Yep, don't be impatient.
Lots more booze to come. Clean/season that still and run a fresh was through a clean still.

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Damn, I wish I had've read more prior to going ahead. Seems kinda silly to use an all grain single malt wash to clean the still :esurprised:

So vinegar will do the job even though there's no ethanol in it? Vinegar is certainly cheaper than cheap wine. How much will it take to clean it. It's already had more than a litre of spirits go through it now. Maybe I could add water to the stuff I have filtered and run it through the still again to clean more off the copper, or would that not be as effective?
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Vinegar is acidic, and will clean out any crap from inside, and will also remove flux residue.
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Ballzac wrote:Damn, I wish I had've read more prior to going ahead. Seems kinda silly to use an all grain single malt wash to clean the still
Firstly, its good that you are being truthful with yourself.

I ran a vinigar and water first. Then a cheap wine.

Continued the same game plan with my new unit as well.

Just run your batch through the still. an entire run should be good.

Cheap wine or a dead simple sugar wash would have been good.

Save that distillate for future runs for future builds. Cuz if you like this stuff (stilling), future builds/acquisitions will be forthcoming.
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Personally, I would save the junk you've made (really sorry, I feel your pain, there will be other single malts :( ), use it as a solvent or as junkahol for testing. do the vinegar run.

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Toss it or use it to clean with. Flux is realy not a good thing to be drinking.

As for all your problems with your first run, congadulations your well on your way to becoming a master distiller.
Seriosly every one hear that didn't lean from there grandpa has had a hell of a learning curve. Keep at it, nothing more rewarding then makeing your own booze.
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Thanks for all the advice guys. I'll be ditching what I've collected for sure now and doing a run with vinegar.
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Okay, so I cleaned it with vinegar. I also threw out the first half litre or so of the stripping run. Then I did a spirit run, throwing out 150mL of foreshots. I collected the rest in small jars down to about 20% alcohol. I let sit covered overnight, and then smelled them. The first few jars smelled strongly of acetone. The rest smelled pretty much all the same to me except for the amount of alcohol. I decided to throw anything below ~35% alcohol in with the heads, and ended up with a little over a bottle at 65%.

What I ended up with had quite a strange smell to it. I have some toasted french oak chips (yes I'm looking for better forms of oak). I mixed some of the 'whisky' with the oak and let it sit overnight. It was already starting to get quite woody, and I noticed that the 'odd' smell was diminishing. I added this oaked mixture to the rest of the liquor. Even though the quality of the oakiness wasn't great, I was more concerned about the 'oddness', and a little impatient.

The colour was very pale, I added a little bit of caramel to darken it, and also hoping the the sweetness might soften it a little.

The flavour now is okay, but the smell is a little offputing. I would have thought maybe this is 'tails' that I can smell, but even the heads had that smell, but just covered up by the fruity sweetness of the heads. I'm not sure how to describe it. It seems like it's coming from the peat, but is not smoky (there IS smokiness in it, but that's not what I'm trying to describe). Someone else I gave a smell said it reminded them of something to do with babies...maybe baby powder or something. I can see that.

I'm quite happy to put this stuff away with a cloth over it and let it age, but if that smell in not going to go away with age then I would probably rather just chuck it in with the stripping run on my next attempt.

Next time I might try unpeated malt. This wash was pretty foul during fermentation, and although it has refined a little, there's an aspect of that foulness still in there. With a wash more similar to a nice beer, but unhopped, I could see it being much nicer.

Unfortunate, because I'm really enjoying highland park at the moment, and that is a little peaty. However, what I have produced is worse than the worst cheap blend, and I would much rather something simple but clean. I know that whisky is meant to taste a little 'rough' prior to aging, but it doesn't just taste what I would call rough. It has quite unpleasant aspects which I can't see mellowing that much over time.
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I'm wondering if this flavour could be from running the still too hot?

Can I add it in with the next lot even though I've already added oak?
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I gather that "yep" was to both questions. So I guess that smell is tails in the whole run from running it too hot. Problem is that nothing comes out until my thermometer is reading high nineties. It is a screw in dial type thermometer, but due to the difficulty I had in producing a hole for the lyne arm, I decided to just drill a small hole for the thermometer and just push the probe in. I think the reason it's reading so hot may be that the metal gets hot and hence the probe also. The thing is, if I put a larger hole and screw it in, the screw bit is metal anyway, and it might still get just as hot and read incorrectly. I don't really want to go to the trouble of putting a larger hole in it if it's not going to help.

Main point is that I do not know what the actual vapour temperature is. I know some people just watch the rate at which the distillate is coming through. This is what I was planning on doing, but as it was heating up, the coil shifted in the bucket because I bumped it, and I ended up having it build up somewhere inside the coil for a few minutes, and then 50-100 mL would spurt out in one go, and then it would build up again. I am going to fill the bottom of the bucket with concrete to hold the coil in place and help prevent leaks.

Good to know it has not gone to waste. I'm not sure how when I will try another whisky, but I'll hang on the this stuff until I do and throw it in with the stripping run. In the mean time I have a brown sugar wash to run, and that's probably a much better one to practice on.
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I had similar results with a new reflux still. I did a vinegar run first and after that noticed that there was still a waxy residue on the inside. I cleaned it out with hot water and soap and then with some ethanol. It should have been clean by then. My first run with spirits seemed to go well. After the foreshots, the temp got to 78C, but the output was coming out cloudy. I waited until it cleared and threw away what I had collected. I collected almost a half gallon at 90% ABV. When the temperature started to rise I switched containers until I started smelling wet cardboard. This averaged about 40% ABV and was clear.

The 90% stuff smells very clean, but when I diluted it with water it got cloudy. Now I notice there are little waxy flecks in it. I'm pretty sure this has to be flux residue. The 40% stuff collected at the end doesn't cloud up when I add water. I'm going to filter it and run everything through again and see what comes out.

I found the MSDS for the particular flux that I used here http://www.lelcolorado.com/documents/ms ... 20Flux.pdf It contains petrolatum (paraffin} which no doubt is what the waxy flecks are. Ammonium chloride is actually used as a vodka flavoring, according to wikipedia. Zinc chloride is used in some brands of antiseptic mouthwash. l don't think a small amount of this stuff would be particularly harmful especially since it is used in plumbing for potable water and doesn't have any warnings related to it being in the water.
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