threw the whole carboy in there

[ozone39]

My standard procedure for distilling is as follows for a five gallon carboy: 3.5 gallons of water heated to 110 F (in a turkey fryer). 2025 grams of malted grain ground to a flower type media + 80 grams of Fleshmans bakers yeast + 250 grams of sugar. All mixed aggressively with a hand drill mixer. Then transferred from the turkey fryer to the carboy and left to ferment. After fermentation, I would then siphon out the liquid portion to my still (trying to avoid grains from getting in there) and process. Today I tried an experiment and just poured all the contents from the carboy in there (grain and all) and ran it through. I got an increased production of 25%. The clean up was no different than when I I siphoned out the wash vs dumping the whole contents into the still (pot is big enough that the grain particles did not cook themselves to the pot). I ran a cooler warm up temperature to get the still hot and running. Actually by doing this the clean up was less than normal. I guess my question is: Does cooking the grain with the wash change the taste/characteristic of the product? If the still can handle it why would a guy not do this if the production of the product goes up with the same results????

[MashMan]

Good job, If you can do it and get away with it without scorching then do it, yield will be higher and the flavour will be stronger. I'd reckon if you increase your grain bill you will start to run into trouble, quite a few of us use double boilers, steam heating etc and never have the worry of scorching/burning. once you do it you will never go back.

have fun,
MM.

[ozone39]

should I start increasing my grain bill to see what this thing can handle before it starts cooking the grain particles??? Just curious...Also, by the sounds of it, by doing this it does change the characteristics of the final product...

[MashMan]

when you burn a wash on the bottom of your pot or electric element you have just wasted it, no matter what you do you wont get rid of the burnt smell/taste. so upping your grain bill till you burn it = expecting to waste a wash sooner or later.
and I would say yes it does change the characteristics of the final product...more flavour.

cheers.
MM

[rubber duck]

Mash man pretty much pegged it. If you do a thin mash and are careful you can do it. A lot of folks don't myself included because of the scorching issue. I just don't like to pay that much attention.

[ozone39]

I'll stick with the guns I'm carrying...

[rubber duck]

If you have the patience more power to ya. On grain distilling is a tough game and I have respect for those that can do it.

[MashMan]

Hey rubber duck, you know it aint as hard as you might think to hook up a steam boiler, nothing more than a big thumper with all your wash in it, and primary boiler with water only. you end up adding about the same amount of condensed water to your wash as you take out. pretty simple and works great.
I have been running all grains like this for a while now, ferment on the grain, no clearing/filtering etc as soon as the cap drops I run it, everything except enough for re-iteration, the time this saves is unbelievable
see http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p6799680

[ozone39]

the dude abides

[MashMan]

yeh.......i get it....

[still crazy]

Thats a sweet looking still you got there O zone
How bout giving us a runthrew on the componets

[rubber duck]

I'm sure it must work but I don't understand. It's a work of art I must say, I'm just a little to simple to understand.

[vicrider]

Looks like a vertically oriented coil with a built in parrot....of course, it could be a prop from the star wars movies.