aging in 5ltr oak barrel

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kerinin
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Re: aging in 5ltr oak barrel

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I ran across a really helpful set of PDF's online a week or two ago hosted on distilling.com - one of them was about barrel aging (http://www.distilling.com/PDF/chapter4.pdf)
While a high-alcohol concentration, such as 80%, extracts more of the beneficial compounds and color, it can also extract more tannin, which imparts too much astringency
and harshness to the flavor. Additionally, the higher the alcohol content, the more water
that has to be added to dilute it to bottling strength when the aging is finished. This also
dilutes the barrel contribution. So, it has been determined that for whiskey aging in new
barrels, 55 to 65% abv is the optimum strength to achieve a balance of barrel extraction and
color, with lower tannins.
The temperatures in the warehouse affect the oxidation reactions that take place in the
spirit, and higher temperatures accelerate these reactions. Since these are great contributors to the aging of the spirit, it’s obviously advantageous to age at higher temperatures. Acids and esters increase due partly to the oxidation of the ethanol to acetic acid via acetaldehyde which is then partially converted to ethyl acetate (an ester). Therefore, a consequence
of aging is an increase in the concentration of acids, esters, furfural, tannins, and aromatic
compounds as a result of oxidation, condensations, and other interactions with the wood.
Tropical temperatures, especially when there are variations between night and day, are
ideal for faster aging, and it has been found that aging may not take place during the winter
in temperate climates if the warehouse is not heated. Movement of barrels during the aging
period will also help, but this is obviously not a practical approach.
All of the prior discussion on barrel aging and its associated properties has been based
on aging spirits in a standard 53-gallon distillery barrel. For example, a top-quality bourbon is aged until it’s ìreadyî. Because bourbon, like all American straight whiskies, is aged

in new charred oak barrels, there’s a point in the aging process when the oak contribution can go too far, and the whiskey takes on a cloying, overpowering astringency. This is
why bourbon distilleries monitor the taste of their aging whiskies frequently past a certain
point to determine when it’s “ready.” And, this point tends to fall between six and eight
years in the barrel. With bourbon, the saying “the older, the better” simply doesn’t apply.
However, this six-to-eight-years applies to 53-gallon barrels. If a different sized barrel
is used then the dynamics change, and values like length of time in the barrel, the rate at
which lignin and vanillins are extracted, etc are completely different. The reason for this
is volume increases by a power of 3 relative to the dimensions, while surface area only increases by a power of 2 relative to the dimensions. That is to say, the amount of surface area
of wood per gallon of spirit is greater in a smaller barrel and less in a bigger barrel.
So, if a distiller aged his/her whiskey in 5-gallon barrels rather than 53-gallon ones,
there would be a considerably greater surface area of wood exposed to a gallon of spirit
than in a 53-gallon barrel. And, the whiskey ages much faster.
Smaller barrels age the whiskey faster and impart lignin and vanillin, and also tannin,
faster as well. And, a good-quality bourbon can be aged out in only three to six months in
a 5-gallon barrel. In fact, any longer and the whiskey would go over the top and become
astringent and bitter.
To sample the whiskey, remove the bung and draw up about an ounce of it with a glass
wine thief or a large pipette, and empty it into a wineglass. Take a nose and taste of the caskstrength whiskey, and then dilute it half-and-half with water and nose and taste it again.
While the whiskey is still immature, it will have an unbalanced flavor of straight wood and
a burnt taste. When the whiskey is ìreadyî, it’ll have a smooth, rich, balanced flavor with
characteristics of the wood and char, but the raw woody, burnt taste will have subsided.
(Emphasis mine). According this the site, the problem some people have been experiencing with 'woody' flavor is due to insufficient aging, and it sounds like this phase of maturation should be expected (not avoided).
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Re: aging in 5ltr oak barrel

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I ordered some barrels from The Barrel Source down in Texas at the end of february and never received the barrels, but they havent charged my credit card either? was wondering if anybody else ever ordered from these people? just wanted to get the word out .
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Re: aging in 5ltr oak barrel

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There have been a number of post about The Barrel Source being unreliable, you won't be gettin' those barrels. Oakbarrelsltd.com has good barrels, I bought several from them, they ship promptly, and gaurantee their barrels.

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Re: aging in 5ltr oak barrel

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I have several used barrels from Tuthilltown Distillery. fantastic barrels.
they source all their barrels from whiskeybarrel.com
you can order new 5 gallon barrels right off the website, they make smaller but they aren't listed.
its hit or miss what tuthilltown has on hand, I think they have some 3 gallon ex-rum barrels currently.
if you get a chance to pick up one of their babybourbon barrels, don't miss out.

keep in mind that these are what the microdistilleries use, so they will be more expensive than the ones for sale on ebay, but they are far superior.
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Re: aging in 5ltr oak barrel

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I have also had excellent experiences with Tuthilltown Spirits. They shipped very quick, and were very helpful with the process.

Since these were previously used, there is a trace amount of liquor still in the barrel, so curing was not needed with my barrels. Also, the bungs fit very well, and the overall condition of the barrels were very nice, despite being used.
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Re: aging in 5ltr oak barrel

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Are the barrels from oak barrels ltd charred, geez i havent seen any posts on the barrel souce people, :evil: its funny they havent even charged my card yet? well i hope the people from oak barrels ltd are legit, im getting sick of some of these rip offs!!! thanx for the info guys!
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Re: aging in 5ltr oak barrel

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I've been slowly draining a 5L Barrel Source barrel for 8 months now and it has given my rum an intense oak flavor, I should have bottled it in the 2nd or 3rd month but I didn't know any better. So now I'm just letting it get as oaky as it can 'til I sip the last drop (there's about 3 drinks left). It smells superb but the smell and flavor don't match up. The oak flavor has really taken-over the maple syrup, cloves, nutmeg, and cinnamon sticks I had originally added. I have another identical barrel that was topped a month later and I have hardly touched it, I'm sure it's too oaky by now (it's at my parents). But now I know that I just have to monitor the barrels more closely (every day). Once they're empty I'm gonna top them up again this coming rum season.

At the end of the summer season last year I realized I was going to need another barrel so I up-scaled to a 5 gal Barrel Mill. Great looking barrel! I only got about a gallon into it and it's been just sitting. I didn't spice it with anything and I'm curious how it turned out. Only 1 more month and I'll be home for the summer to get down to business! :ebiggrin:

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