Capsaicin Extra - New use for foreshots?

[Lynx_Gen]

So I just went totaly wayward..

was looking up where im gona get some stuff ordered, or some information to try and find things localy.

at one of the common distiller/brewing/supply sites, they have alot of hot sauces etc.

so next thing i know, im getting ready to buy some pure capsiacin crystals as well... O.o

then i get the bright idea.. hmm.. i wonder how they extract it? it comes from food.. ?

well wouldnt you know it, the short storey is, grind up some peppers, mix with pure alchohol, seal, shake twice a day for a few days, then evaporate (or distill) off the alchohol.
(The less fortunate are having to buy 190 proof everclear for this and setting in the sun to evap it after!)

so basically, i think a lil glass still for other purposes than just making your basic shine would be worth while having!

anyways, i just thought this would probably be a good use for the often throw away byproducts that come out during a run..

has anyone else bothered to experiment with this?

Note: the people that do do this end up with a sorta paste like liquid at the end, not pure crystals...

also note:
pure capsiacin crystals are considered dangerous by most.. they are around 16Mill on the scoville rating.. 3200 times hotter than a jalapeño

~L~

[hackware]

the stuff is considered a munition...

some local ordinances are harsh even for possession...

others, nothing...

just be aware...

[Lynx_Gen]

the stuff is considered a munition...

some local ordinances are harsh even for possession...

others, nothing...

just be aware...

a munition??

so far as i know, and have read, its just food.. in a manner of speaking..
could go so far as to call it a poison i suppose...

but a munition?

the only thing i see it being used as a weapon is by cops etc in pepper spray..

please elaborate..

[hackware]

well...

usually, without an active dispersion system, possession of capsaicin itself is not banned...

but as soon as it is contained in burstable container, or dispersion system, law starts looking at it...

http://www.pepper-spray-store.com/relat ... ates.shtml

about enforcement of the law(s), if any, can vary by locality...

[Lynx_Gen]

Lmao

"if someone is found to have used bear spray on a person, there are all sorts of interesting questions about its legal use (unless that person happens to be doing a highly convincing bear act)"

lol..

interesting read for sure.

Although i am in canada, and I dont know our laws, but they generaly dont differ too much from the same aspect as the US.

as it is, I have no intention of such things. I plan to use it for food stuffs. If i want a spray, I'll go buy one, which i dont.. mind you it was not even two weeks ago my ol lady and her friend had their truck molested by a bear.. If you dnt belive me, I'll add you to my facebook and you can see the pics they took for yourself!!! although it was not much more than a cub to be honest, but point is, I do live in bear country. If i want something like that, i would just go to the local grocery/hardware/gas station and pick some up.. lol

but yeah, I can see how it could be considered bad.

its kinda like I know how to make a taser out of disposable cameras, or use a disposable camera and some magnet wire to shoot a piece of metal.

could I? for sure.. do I? well, im a bit more adult than that. (Althought I been contemplating a magnetic rocket to shoot off into th e sky. sure, I know how to make little jet rocket engines as well, in theory, which can do some serious damage.. but i dont.. lol)

pepper spray is around 500,000 to 700,000 on the scoville scale.. pure capsaicin can be around 16-17,000,000 ..id be worried too. a jhalepeono (Cant spell that) pepper is around 5000 scoville units..

meh, I may try it once or twice jsut to make some sauce, but beyond that.. lol

as it is, the original point of my post, would it be okay to use foreshots for this, since you distill it back out anyhow.. ?

~L~

[blanikdog]

Sometimes one simply has to wonder. Poisoned fores, a new use!! I wonder what type of food stuff this would be used for? And you expect responsible people in here to tell you it will be OK.

[Fastill]

It might be a good use for mid to late heads... As far as poisoning goes, we drink all the foreshots when drinking beer and wine, and just end up with a hangover. As far as using it for a super pepper extract, nobody would be able to consume that much hot sauce to cause any damage from the heads, at least not before the peppers themselves caused damage. and if used for cooking, the volitile components that are left would be cooked out anyway, just like in a still.
P.S. I have no scientific proof, this is just my thoughts on the subject.

[MuleKicker]

could I? for sure.. do I? well, im a bit more adult than that.

You havent hung around here long enough

[hackware]

when you are already doing something which can land you in prison...

some people might not want to give extra reasons for hard looks from the man...

[Lynx_Gen]

well the alcohol gets distilled out, leaving only the oily extract from the jalapenos behind, so if youused distilled spirits, wouldnt it all get distilled back out anyhow? lol

as for a "Poison" thats just what some ppl refer to it as since its so strong.. like soccor moms and such.. same kinda ppl that call booze and tobbaco poison.. alltho this woul be less so.. its actualy used as a medical ingrediant as well, can have pain relieving effects similar to asprin..

I've seen ppl eat it pretty much straight, just to see how hot it is. Some can handle it, others turn into little balls on the floor crying for thier mommy.. lol

of course you can turn around and just buy it off the net or in quality cooking stores for like 30$ (Or as high as 600$ for some fancy limited edition brand name stuff.. IE: Blairs)

anyways, was just a thought.. i wouldnt wanna do it in fuel still.. prolly need to do it in like a glass beaker or flask kinda thing..

meh

~L~

[MuleKicker]

Honestly, if you arent concentrating the stuff to blast into the air or spray in people's eyes, I wouldnt worry about it. Like ya say, It has many uses. The feds aint gonna come knocking on yer door looking for capzasin crystals.

[blanikdog]

It might be a good use for mid to late heads... As far as poisoning goes, we drink all the foreshots when drinking beer and wine, ...

True of course, but it isn't concentrated.

[rubber duck]

If you want to use them for what your intending you should be fine. What's the most fores your going to end up consuming a couple of drops? If you managed to consume 30 mill of pure methanol laced with that stuff it's not the fores I would be worried about.

But really, you have a still why not just use the good stuff? it's not like it costs that much.

[Lynx_Gen]

If you want to use them for what your intending you should be fine. What's the most fores your going to end up consuming a couple of drops? If you managed to consume 30 mill of pure methanol laced with that stuff it's not the fores I would be worried about.

But really, you have a still why not just use the good stuff? it's not like it costs that much.

thats true. and even in the one directions/method/recipe, when using the everclear, when its distilled out, they say keep it, you can use it again over and over and over for the next batches.. etc.

Im not too overly wiorried about such things. when theres ppl in the area dying of gun shots and drug overdoses and dealers and everything else, im sure they arent gona be too concerned about finding a still or jhalepeneo extracts.

I doubt most of the cops around here would know one if they seen one... prolly search it for drugs and then hang their hat on n coat on it.. lmao!

And then I'll feed em my super hot chilli!!

besides that, we do all the maintenance and repairs on the emergency vehicles at the shop i work in, unless you're doing somethign realy crimminal, they kinda just pass us on with a stern warning, the odd ticket here n there.. lol

~L~

[blanikdog]

Another example of why it will be nigh on impossible to have this craft even decriminalised, let alone legalised. http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p6918087

Don't people who come up with these hairbrained, dangerous schemes think that the authorities read this forum. They really aren't as stupid as you think.