Packed or Plated?

[mash rookie]

LOL. I wondered who would be listening. All things in good time RAD. I have a pretty good plan. Testing is not far off. Most is built.

I hope all is well with your dad. I am thinking positive thoughts for you. Its good to see you about.
Scott

[Frosteecat]

Alors pas! Ca veut dire "je sais pa.... tu peux le répéter" en anglais. C'est la même chose. J’aime écrire!
I aint puttin no gree gree on ya, l'ami!

I don't speak fluent french... and don't have a clue what most of those words are.. only a few like repeat, english.. thas bout it.. if your jumpin on me for what i typed, my post was just a joke..didn't mean nothin by it..just picking on you for me not knowing all those fancy words, thats it.

"Of course not! It just says 'can you repeat that...in English'. I'm a writer! I am not putting a hex on you, my friend".


I'm thinking we'll be good friends, pod nah!

[Frosteecat]

Packed or plated? Packed or plated? Packed or plated? Thats pretty straight forward english.

I am building a six inch packed column.

Anybody care to guess at how many BTU's it will take to maintain vapor speed at 48"? Reflux % vs height and coolant required for 95%. Sound French?

I dont know yet. I will have to learn on the fly. If i could just get the damn fly to hold still a moment I could do the math.

Screw the math. Im pouring another. I love geometry but hate math. Does that make sense?


Let us go where no man has gone before. Buy a new toilet.

He's talking to me ya Doofus! I tried to go Arcadian on him and didn't realize he didn't speak French. Plus I mangled the crap out of it lol.

[heartcut]

Love how the post has degenerated but stayed mostly on topic. Good read.
FYI, I did several startups on a 72" x 80' column with structured packing (not scrubbies), screen trays every 12'. It did a bang up job of separating crude oil fractions. At that size, more modern bubble trays are a lot more efficient, and it eventually got replaced, but the separation was more precise than the new column.

[Marshwalker]

We need not limit our thoughts. 40% of the human brain is devoted to imagination, let's use it!

Newton, Einstien, Plato and many others would be proud of that statement bubba!! I live by it!

[Marshwalker]

I'm thinking we'll be good friends, pod nah!

[Bushman]

While I have the utmost respect for all involved, I still stand on the side of plates for flavored product. I as well as most who venture into this area of distillation comes away more than satisfied. Many have been converted who where out spoken oponants of the theory. Remember it was only 3 years ago when this principle on home scale was unheard of, we still are in the infancy of this type of cm distilling. I would be blind and ignorant not to explore all areas of plated column, with, without, combination of packing , and or plates. We need not limit our thoughts. 40% of the human brain is devoted to imagination, let's use it!

A great test would be to run the same mash side by side in the two stills. Once I learn my new still (finish it) MR and I can do this and maybe we can post results. The main problem is taste is very subjective! Regardless of what you run if you like it it is all good.

[Bushman]

LOL. I wondered who would be listening. All things in good time RAD. I have a pretty good plan. Testing is not far off. Most is built.

I hope all is well with your dad. I am thinking positive thoughts for you. Its good to see you about.
Scott

I am excited to be on the ground floor of this experiment. The good news is I think it's going to work great but if not it is easy to change out with a removable dephlagmater.

[short bus]

Hey FCat, thanks for the thread! I feel much better about my CM now. I am thinking instead of embarking an expensive flute build I will just buy me a 3" CM! It will be alot cheaper and I can use all the extra time making more likker! I still got me a flute on the bucket list

SB

[mash rookie]

While I have the utmost respect for all involved, I still stand on the side of plates for flavored product. I as well as most who venture into this area of distillation comes away more than satisfied. Many have been converted who where out spoken oponants of the theory. Remember it was only 3 years ago when this principle on home scale was unheard of, we still are in the infancy of this type of cm distilling. I would be blind and ignorant not to explore all areas of plated column, with, without, combination of packing , and or plates. We need not limit our thoughts. 40% of the human brain is devoted to imagination, let's use it!

You are spot on Rock! Keep an open mind and let imagination run wild. I wake up with a new idea every day. (it’s a curse) I love the creative minds here on HD. A new guy posted in flute talk his concept of turning a plate to disable it! Simple, brilliant. It really is a new wild wild west.

Old Dog started a revolution in the hobby that will continue for sometime.

It would be hard to argue with your opinion on plated stills for flavored drink. Bubble cap stills are the norm for many small commercial distilleries making full flavor distillate. Your (LW) multi thumper still is an innovative take on bubble cap theory. (very cool looking too) LW is a Rum lover so I understand his direction and applaud his results.

Having found that a four perf plate still will make heavy flavored Whiskey and rum, but not lighter drinks I am going in a little different direction for awhile.
I hope to develop a design that is simple and easy to build that will also be versatile enough to make a neutral and full flavored drinks. I think packing and mechanical innovations will be the answer but have much work to do.

[XFABCALGARY]

A new guy posted in flute talk his concept of turning a plate to disable it! Simple, brilliant. It really is a new wild wild west.

would this be like a butterfly valve in a carburetor? closed and the plate is in effect/open the plate is in bypass null and void?


also so a CM can run a packed column even to the point of 100% re-flux it just has no valve. a VM is also able to re-flux to a packed column .
can these run plates aswell? what classification does a flute fall under? sexy girl would be a VM??? she has a valve and an external condenser. but the draw back of sexy girl is she can't strip????

what i take away from this thread is a LM offers the most versatility and is cost effective. it can strip or run the cleanest of nutrals, it can be packed or in the case of one ProChargedHarley03 have plates and peekaboos installed. but bottom line packed or plated becomes a personal choice of ones own preferred flavor palate.

Regards R

edit sexy lady to sexy girl

[Prairiepiss]

A flute is a cm still. The valve is in the cooling water. There is a couple good threads in the must read new distiller reading lounge that will help explain the differences between them.
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 46&t=13360
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 46&t=13342

When you reference sexy lady are you talking about MR's flute? If so its a cm not a VM.

Yes a cm if built proper can run in 100% reflux.

[XFABCALGARY]

A flute is a cm still. The valve is in the cooling water. There is a couple good threads in the must read new distiller reading lounge that will help explain the differences between them.
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 46&t=13360
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 46&t=13342

When you reference sexy lady are you talking about MR's flute? If so its a cm not a VM.

Yes a cm if built proper can run in 100% reflux.

hey thanks for those and i am working my way through the must reads, novice distillers so on and so forth. this can take quite some time to accomplish an even longer to fully digest ! the way the old school designed cm stills get talked about i didn't connect cm with MR's still.

so is there a formula to figure out height requirements for plate vs packed or overall area required to accomplish the same amount of work?
flutes seem to require bigger bore copper and more high value traffic controlled airspace.

[Frosteecat]

If you check out Prairies latest build you'll see he is accomplishing a lot with a 2" column into a 5.5" plate (using a sphere...genius) below 12" of packed column. With the right combos and ingenuity you can get some great production without a monstrous column!

[LWTCS]

so is there a formula to figure out height requirements for plate vs packed or overall area required to accomplish the same amount of work?
flutes seem to require bigger bore copper and more high value traffic controlled airspace.

Still lots of questions for the different variants on the bubblers...
My rig acutally only has 1.5" vapor chases and produces as fast if not faster at the same purity levels or better... My vapor chase is smaller but my liquid levels are much larger....So many variables.

You'll just need to immerse your self into the subject matter and try to do the best ya can to align your goals with your budget.
Sorry sorry sorry for the terrible response to your query. Keep going.

[HookLine]

A great test would be to run the same mash side by side in the two stills.

That is how is needs to be done. Same everything, except different columns.

Then double blind taste test the two different products, by as many different people as possible.

1) Can they detect any difference between product A and product B?

2) If they can, then is one better than the other? Or are they just different?

Needs to be tested both as white dog, and also after oaking and ageing (as long as they were done in identical conditions). As we know, raw white dog can turn out very different after proper oaking and ageing.