RV plumbing anti-freeze safety

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RV plumbing anti-freeze safety

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I know this may sound crazy and dangerous....initially, but after a little research I've found something interesting. I have been winterizing cottages in my area for the last couple of weeks and have been using a product called economical RV plumbing antifreeze from a company called Recochem. Its good to -50 degrees celcius in undiluted form. The thing that caught my eye is that it says "non- toxic" and "contains ethanol". So I looked it up under the company profile and looked at the ingredient list: propylene glycol, ethanol,water. That's it.. then I wiki'd propylene glycol, FDA says it mostly safe. Then looked at some human / animal studies... seems safe. Then I saw the list of products that it is in... HUGE! Its basically in most food and beauty products. It has a boiling point of 188'c which would take it way out of the still temps normally used to seperate ethanol even if it was part of the mixture.
The 3.8 litre jugs apparantley contain 59% propylene glycol to obtain the minus 50 rating. So that leaves 41% left for a mixture of ethanol and water.
A box of this stuff costs $13 for 4 gallons.
So my question is.... can this be put thru a stripping run and be a good distillate eventually? Has this been done before?
Mentors and longtimers, heck anyone with expirience in this matter please chime in. Thank you all.
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This is how things go bad. And or hobby gets a bad rap. Do it proper or don't do it at all. :crazy: My two shiny nickles.
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Prairiepiss wrote:This is how things go bad. And or hobby gets a bad rap. Do it proper or don't do it at all. :crazy: My two shiny nickles.
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Lol, well, a "good engineering practice" would be to think to yourself- "If all these people distilling are trying to make cheapest best tasting products possible and I have found something no one is talking about... well then I probably haven't found a viable solution." When the term antifreeze is used in a product and over and over in murder mystery shows, it is probably a good idea not to try and cheapen the expirience by using it. Thinking deeper- It is an obvious concern you don't want any glycol near anything consumed- so, saving money for a large volume of this is overturned by the energy and time consumed distilling multiple multiple runs on it, which even then I wouldn't touch nor anyone on HD would for that matter.
Its great to pioneer, but when it comes to personal safety and a hobby, why do it. I am starting to get that if you have a question about the safety of something you want to try and feel you need to ask it on the forum, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN"T TRY IT! There's my two copper pennies! lol :lol:
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dpschein wrote: When the term antifreeze is used in a product and over and over in murder mystery shows, it is probably a good idea not to try
All that murders was done by regular antifreeze which contain Ethylene glycol. Ethylene glycol is very toxic.But TopShelf talking about non-toxic antifreeze based on propylene glycol. It's a completely different substance
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The acute oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low, and large quantities are required to cause perceptible health damage in humans; propylene glycol is metabolized in the human body into pyruvic acid (a normal part of the glucose-metabolism process, readily converted to energy), acetic acid (handled by ethanol-metabolism), lactic acid (a normal acid generally abundant during digestion),[11] and propionaldehyde (a potentially hazardous substance).[12][13][14] Serious toxicity generally occurs only at plasma concentrations over 1 g/L, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time.[15] It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1 g/kg of PG. Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are usually related to either inappropriate intravenous administration or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children.[16] The potential for long-term oral toxicity is also low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG in feed over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.[17] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol was classified by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration as "generally recognized as safe" (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.
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So, I think it is safe to try to make booze from this antifreeze, but I believe it is more expensive than regular sugar wash.
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sounds like something out of the prohibition.
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And again this is how bad things happen. And give the hobby a bad rap. We shouldn't even be having this topic talked about. Because someone mite just happen by and read only the parts they want to. And the next then you know. Some joker is down at the Walmart buying a case of antifreeze a galvanized trashcan and a garden hose. :wtf:

There was a big deal in the news not all to long ago. About a group of guys distilling something like windshield washer fluid. And made a bunch of people sick. The crap is not intended to use in this manner.

This is not what home distilling is about. This is not what this site is about. And it stuff just like this that will make it harder to get it ever legalized. :wtf:
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Prairiepiss wrote:This is not what home distilling is about. This is not what this site is about. And it stuff just like this that will make it harder to get it ever legalized. :wtf:
EXACTLY That is why this thread is being locked. This is NOT a path we should follow AT all, and anyone that knows of someone wandering down this path should do everything possible to STOP THEM

This is nothing but fodder for the gooberment propoganda specialists to use to keep us compentent self reliant distillers hiding in the bushes.

This talk is NOT wanted here, AT ALL.
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